KL758 from Panama still operational - how to book?
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KL758 from Panama still operational - how to book?
Unfortunately Panama ceased all civil air traffic one month ago.
Our problem is: we are in Panama but want to leave asap due to the worsening situation here (safety, human rights).
Our original flight to Europe was cancelled (March, 24th)
On Flightradar we see KL757 AMS-PTY and the return flight KL758 every some days, but it's not possible to book online.
Question is: how could we book on one of these flights?
Our problem is: we are in Panama but want to leave asap due to the worsening situation here (safety, human rights).
Our original flight to Europe was cancelled (March, 24th)
On Flightradar we see KL757 AMS-PTY and the return flight KL758 every some days, but it's not possible to book online.
Question is: how could we book on one of these flights?
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You should contact KL to seek clarification.
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Planned Flight Info Segment Departure Arrival Duration ------- --------- --------- -------- PTY-AMS 14:20 07:45 +1 10:25 Segment Flight Note ------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- PTY-AMS Codeshare Flight - Operated By: KLM ROYAL DUTCH AIRLINES PTY-AMS Aircraft Owner: KLM ROYAL DUTCH AIRLINES PTY-AMS Cockpit Crew: KLM ROYAL DUTCH AIRLINES PTY-AMS Cabin Crew: KLM ROYAL DUTCH AIRLINES Traffic Restriction: QUALIFIED ONLINE CONNECTING TRAFFIC ONLY [G] PTY-AMS Alliance: SkyTeam [*S] PTY-AMS Operational Flight: KL 758 PTY-AMS Amenity: Wi-Fi Internet Access [18] PTY-AMS Security: US TSA Secure Flight PTY-AMS Ticket Type: E-Ticket [ET] PTY-AMS CO2/PAX: 555.12 KG ECO, 1,110.24 KG PRE Source: ICAO Carbon Emissions Calc
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Unfortunately Panama ceased all civil air traffic one month ago.
Our problem is: we are in Panama but want to leave asap due to the worsening situation here (safety, human rights).
Our original flight to Europe was cancelled (March, 24th)
On Flightradar we see KL757 AMS-PTY and the return flight KL758 every some days, but it's not possible to book online.
Question is: how could we book on one of these flights?
Our problem is: we are in Panama but want to leave asap due to the worsening situation here (safety, human rights).
Our original flight to Europe was cancelled (March, 24th)
On Flightradar we see KL757 AMS-PTY and the return flight KL758 every some days, but it's not possible to book online.
Question is: how could we book on one of these flights?
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My I ask why you did not travel back before the 24th? Or on any other relief flight executed after that day. Many flights had capacity leaving Panama. But those flights are now over.
But to help you.. Mexico City to AMS is still flown. But can you get to Mexico? Otherwise you need to seriously consider finding a safe spot somewhere and sit it out. Keep in contact with your embassy.
Good luck, stay save and be smart.
But to help you.. Mexico City to AMS is still flown. But can you get to Mexico? Otherwise you need to seriously consider finding a safe spot somewhere and sit it out. Keep in contact with your embassy.
Good luck, stay save and be smart.
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can't you leave the country by road or sea then reach a country from which you can fly back to europe ??
As EricVDB said , one month can be a bit too late , but asking embassy won't kill
Last edited by fifty_two; Apr 16, 2020 at 4:42 am
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* there is no evacuation flights any more (but what is KL758 then?)
* we won't allow you on the flight anyway since you hold a wrong citizenship (Germany)
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Flight KL 757 is currently only taking cargo . its operated 2 x a week.
According to the airlines website klm will only restart itself flights when restrictions are lifted. AF resumes, june 1st.
best options indeed for the moment out of MEX or via ATL/LAX/JFK /GRU
Options are just very limited.
According to the airlines website klm will only restart itself flights when restrictions are lifted. AF resumes, june 1st.
best options indeed for the moment out of MEX or via ATL/LAX/JFK /GRU
Options are just very limited.
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They shut down all civil flights on March 22 or 23 (can't remember the exact date). After this they implemented presidential decrees banning more than 90% of the population from work, impoverishing most. They implemented a total prohibition on alcohol and most basic goods so the organized crime is flourishing. First lootings happened. Human rights situation is worsening. Panama is no longer a safe place to stay.
the few land border crossings are closed. Civil maritime traffic is illegal, too.
We did. Our embassy does not support us, since we are residents and no tourists. Dutch embassy does not support us, since we are no Dutch.
As EricVDB said , one month can be a bit too late , but asking embassy won't kill
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They shut down all civil flights on March 22 or 23 (can't remember the exact date). After this they implemented presidential decrees banning more than 90% of the population from work, impoverishing most. They implemented a total prohibition on alcohol and most basic goods so the organized crime is flourishing. First lootings happened. Human rights situation is worsening. Panama is no longer a safe place to stay.
if you are EU citizen then stay in touch with other EU citizens to see if their embassies organise something
Otherwise try to reach aruba by sea but it probably won't be in a legal way . I won't recommend you to fo to colombia by yourself as a "refugee" , so you are out of options , cause the closest big airport , SJO is also closed for international traffic as far as i know
Last edited by fifty_two; Apr 16, 2020 at 5:58 am
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Remember that given the wide distribution and publication of airline timetables, which are automatically picked up and distributed widely on many other websites but which those same websites will not meticulously now investigate in order to update/correct whatever their listings may show, you will find, if you look, references to hundreds and thousands of flights, originally scheduled to operate all through the coming summer, but which will not operate. Just because you can find, somewhere, reference to a particular flight, then do not take it for granted that that flight will operate.
The next flight for which the KLM website shows as operating is KL758 on Thursday 7 May, but do not take this as total proof that the flight will actually accept passengers or even be operated. Prices only appear to be loaded for flights from June 1 onwards.
Last edited by irishguy28; Apr 16, 2020 at 6:49 am
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Your best bet in these circumstances is still the embassy of your residence country. As I know, the situation you describe is very similar to the one in the Philippines. The Swiss Embassy there has nonetheless been able to organise a repatriation flight from Cebu and Manila in cooperation with Qatar Airways and local governments. Embassies can organise such flights with diplomatic clearance, so they can operate even if the airport is closed to civil aviation. Be persistent and keep in contact with your embassy, they might be able to cooperate repatriation together with other embassies. Good luck!
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You're making it sound a lot worse than it is. My family is in Panama and the situation is far from unsafe, it's actually safer than usual. Little looting is happening (Specially outside of the red zones), and human rights are still respected. Everyone is in self isolation, so of course people are not working, 'work from home' is not a thing in Panama, and many were still getting paid until few days ago. No alcohol is being sold because the government doesn't want to deal with drunk people being stupid or violent.
Anyhow, as others said, contact another EU embassy and explain the situation. PTY closed on 23 March but some humanitarian flights arrived to take people to Europe (Including Lufthansa with a 747 and KLM with a 77W). PTY will stay closed for a while, the only real way to get out of Panama is to travel to Costa Rica by land. If you're in Panama City, simply stay away from red zones (Chorrillo, Curundu, San Miguelito, etc.) and stay in the downtown. Otherwise, leave Panama City for another smaller town which are relatively safer and cheaper. Some public transport is still allowed.
Anyhow, as others said, contact another EU embassy and explain the situation. PTY closed on 23 March but some humanitarian flights arrived to take people to Europe (Including Lufthansa with a 747 and KLM with a 77W). PTY will stay closed for a while, the only real way to get out of Panama is to travel to Costa Rica by land. If you're in Panama City, simply stay away from red zones (Chorrillo, Curundu, San Miguelito, etc.) and stay in the downtown. Otherwise, leave Panama City for another smaller town which are relatively safer and cheaper. Some public transport is still allowed.
Last edited by AHC96; Apr 17, 2020 at 4:26 am