First new security filter operational at AMS
#316
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Schiphol is running a trial during which laptops and liquids may stay in the bag:
[http://news.schiphol.com/test-at-ams...y-in-the-bag/]
[http://news.schiphol.com/test-at-ams...y-in-the-bag/]
#317
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Went through Terminal 2 non-Schengen departures this evening. It was a disaster. I'll spare you the details but in brief:
Oh boy, oh boy.
Johan
- automatic gates refused to admit me.
- long line of regular pax at what they dare call "priorty" security
- so many bags sent to secondary that one of the "priority" checkpoints came to a complete halt.
- one of my bags sent to secondary.
- The Privium scanner at the passport checkpoint refused to recognize me, as well as the gentleman in front of me. (happens all the time, said the KMar officer)
Oh boy, oh boy.
Johan
Last edited by johan rebel; Nov 8, 2016 at 2:30 pm Reason: Can't even spell my name no more. That's what AMS security does to you.
#318
Join Date: Mar 2016
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Went through Terminal 2 non-Schengen departures this evening. It was a disaster. I'll spare you the details but in brief:
Oh boy, oh boy.
Joihan
- automatic gates refused to admit me.
- long line of regular pax at what they dare call "priorty" security
- so many bags sent to secondary that one of the "priority" checkpoints came to a complete halt.
- one of my bags sent to secondary.
- The Privium scanner at the passport checkpoint refused to recognize me, as well as the gentleman in front of me. (happens all the time, said the KMar officer)
Oh boy, oh boy.
Joihan
#319
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Schiphol is running a trial during which laptops and liquids may stay in the bag:
[http://news.schiphol.com/test-at-ams...y-in-the-bag/]
[http://news.schiphol.com/test-at-ams...y-in-the-bag/]
It sounds almost like a hoax to me. AMS is one of the worst airports regarding security (through LGW also sucks - a lot), and they plan on making a full 180 going from extremely strict to not strict at all? Very weird!
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#322
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Ahhh look at that PR image, a smiling agent and happy passenger with no line or stack of 28 bags going to secondary. Next thing you know they'll announce they no longer suspect every wire in a bag! Progress.
#323
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Still can't wrap my head around the fact that every time I fly out of AMS priority people are mixed in with normal people, slowing everything down to 0 efficiency. Only time it netted me big gains was in cases where te regular line stretched all the way from lounge 1 to the KL BC checkin desks....
... In which case I could proceed directly to the front and made it through quicker than in the case of light loads en 'mixing' policy in effect :')
... In which case I could proceed directly to the front and made it through quicker than in the case of light loads en 'mixing' policy in effect :')
#324
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Still can't wrap my head around the fact that every time I fly out of AMS priority people are mixed in with normal people, slowing everything down to 0 efficiency. Only time it netted me big gains was in cases where te regular line stretched all the way from lounge 1 to the KL BC checkin desks....
#325
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I don't see how waiting for 1 or 2 non-priority PAX is "slowing everything down to 0 efficiency"
#326
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Yep, and actually in AMS as long as there are priority PAX waiting, normal PAX will not be sent over to the priority queues, they will only be sent to the priority queue if it is empty, which of course makes perfect sense.
I don't see how waiting for 1 or 2 non-priority PAX is "slowing everything down to 0 efficiency"
I don't see how waiting for 1 or 2 non-priority PAX is "slowing everything down to 0 efficiency"
#327
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Yeah, that qualifies as zero efficiency; and no that's not what priority security is supposed to be, nor are Privium members getting anything near value for money.
If the much maligned TSA can implement and properly execute TSA Pre✓® at a whole bunch of airports, then Privium should be able to offer something similar at AMS.
How difficult can it be?
Johan
#328
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1 or 2? Yeah, right! Last time I counted 11, not including the throng waiting at secondary.
Yeah, that qualifies as zero efficiency; and no that's not what priority security is supposed to be, nor are Privium members getting anything near value for money.
If the much maligned TSA can implement and properly execute TSA Pre✓® at a whole bunch of airports, then Privium should be able to offer something similar at AMS.
How difficult can it be?
Johan
Yeah, that qualifies as zero efficiency; and no that's not what priority security is supposed to be, nor are Privium members getting anything near value for money.
If the much maligned TSA can implement and properly execute TSA Pre✓® at a whole bunch of airports, then Privium should be able to offer something similar at AMS.
How difficult can it be?
Johan
And even with 11 PAX, given just 2 queues (and sometimes they utilize 4 for priority) and 3 stands at each queue, it shouldn't take longer than 5 minutes, of course with so many bags going to secondary it is a different story all together, but that has nothing to do with the queuing mechanism.
You still get to skip the long queue that can easily take 45 minutes or more during rush hour...
#329
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At least 11, plus another priority guy and I.
Only two "priority" checkpoints, one of which had ground to a complete halt due secondary, with trays backed up all the way to the loading stations. I was in due course directed to the other one, where I again had to wait as the regular pax struggled with their trays and clogged the system. Then, despite having removed anything and everything that could possibly cause offense, one of my bags was of course selected for secondary, even though that very bag had sailed through CPH, EWR, JFK and LAX in the weeks before (but not LHR, which is almost as big a security pain as AMS is). I was of course also frisked after the body scanner, which funnily enough invariably happens at AMS, but almost never at other airports.
Then the Privium iris scanner (which is located as far from "priority" security as possible) rejected me, as it did the guy ahead of me. KMar officer said that happens all the time.
All in all another great and typical AMS priority experience.
I could not care less how long the line I'm skipping is, what matters is the length of the one in front of me. Back when there was still a dedicated Privium checkpoint, it was at most one or two people long, if that.
Johan
Only two "priority" checkpoints, one of which had ground to a complete halt due secondary, with trays backed up all the way to the loading stations. I was in due course directed to the other one, where I again had to wait as the regular pax struggled with their trays and clogged the system. Then, despite having removed anything and everything that could possibly cause offense, one of my bags was of course selected for secondary, even though that very bag had sailed through CPH, EWR, JFK and LAX in the weeks before (but not LHR, which is almost as big a security pain as AMS is). I was of course also frisked after the body scanner, which funnily enough invariably happens at AMS, but almost never at other airports.
Then the Privium iris scanner (which is located as far from "priority" security as possible) rejected me, as it did the guy ahead of me. KMar officer said that happens all the time.
All in all another great and typical AMS priority experience.
Johan
#330
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At least 11, plus another priority guy and I.
...one of which had ground to a complete halt due secondary, with trays backed up all the way to the loading stations.... Then, despite having removed anything and everything that could possibly cause offense, one of my bags was of course selected for secondary, even though that very bag had sailed through CPH, EWR, JFK and LAX in the weeks before (but not LHR, which is almost as big a security pain as AMS is).
...one of which had ground to a complete halt due secondary, with trays backed up all the way to the loading stations.... Then, despite having removed anything and everything that could possibly cause offense, one of my bags was of course selected for secondary, even though that very bag had sailed through CPH, EWR, JFK and LAX in the weeks before (but not LHR, which is almost as big a security pain as AMS is).
BTW I passing through LHR went smoothly for me when I was there about 2 weeks ago, of course on the outbound from AMS one of my trays had to go to secondary
Yep, obviously Privium was "downgraded", but back at that time none of my bags ever went to secondary...