JFK-CLT upgrade to A320?
Aug 14, 2006, 5:44 pm
#16
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RIC just has too much NYC capacity right now
Originally Posted by prhs1989
According to a.net, PIT and RIC are struggling. RIC doesn't surprise me, but I thought that they said that PIT's initial bookings were strong? That is a market that I thought would be doing very well.
On a side note, according to multiple people on a.net, it seems that the marketing department is slacking in the newer markets. Apparently, there has next to nil marketing at BNA, and it is not much better at PIT. What's going on?
On a side note, according to multiple people on a.net, it seems that the marketing department is slacking in the newer markets. Apparently, there has next to nil marketing at BNA, and it is not much better at PIT. What's going on?
Aug 14, 2006, 6:07 pm
#17
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Originally Posted by Seat13c
I thought is was suprising that B6 went with the A320 on the JFK-PWM route. I didn't question it because I thought they may have had research figures that proved it was worth running A320's up there. I hope that route works out for them
On a side note, is it just me or has B6 had a lot of new routes recently that have struggled? (ex. BUR to MCO/LAS is defunked, EWR/SJU is shutting down, JFK to PIT, RIC, PWM amoungst others rumored to struggle)
On a side note, is it just me or has B6 had a lot of new routes recently that have struggled? (ex. BUR to MCO/LAS is defunked, EWR/SJU is shutting down, JFK to PIT, RIC, PWM amoungst others rumored to struggle)
Aug 14, 2006, 6:44 pm
#18
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Originally Posted by Seat13c
I thought is was suprising that B6 went with the A320 on the JFK-PWM route. I didn't question it because I thought they may have had research figures that proved it was worth running A320's up there. I hope that route works out for them
On a side note, is it just me or has B6 had a lot of new routes recently that have struggled? (ex. BUR to MCO/LAS is defunked, EWR/SJU is shutting down, JFK to PIT, RIC, PWM amoungst others rumored to struggle)
On a side note, is it just me or has B6 had a lot of new routes recently that have struggled? (ex. BUR to MCO/LAS is defunked, EWR/SJU is shutting down, JFK to PIT, RIC, PWM amoungst others rumored to struggle)
B6 would take BOS away from US if only B6 would ADVERTISE!!! PLEASE!! US is still raping the customers in PIT and we are letting them....well not me. I'll take B6 to BOS every time now and I'm a diehard US1 (chairman's). But there has to come a time when I say enough is enough w/ US.
Please tell B6 to spread the word they are in PIT. My mouth is only so BIG!
Aug 14, 2006, 6:54 pm
#19
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Originally Posted by B6AUS
PWM is beginning to book really well. Infact, tomorrow ... B6 has 9 or less seats on most flights returning to JFK.
P.S. Memo to Jetblue marketing: Put your name out there. Even though the brand is massive on the east coast, it is still relatively new in the midwest. I remember hearing that when they established big plans for BOS, they put a full page ad at the front of the Boston Globe. Why wouldn't they be doing in PIT? That is a city with potential that is being slaughtered by their "hometown" carrier.
Aug 14, 2006, 7:00 pm
#20
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Originally Posted by CHOwahoo
RIC is a very strong US and DL flyer base, and the fact that US has flooded the LGA-RIC route with frequencies and DL is on the JFK-RIC route, it's going to be tough for B6 to steal market share from anyone but leisure travellers. US is even competing on walkup fares on this route. And while, yes, B6 flights are more pleasant, who cares about that for such a short flight?
Oct 7, 2006, 11:17 pm
#21
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I was on 1085 tonight (10/7) JFK-CLT. Sure enough, I booked it last week as an E190 and it was changed to an A320. It was still fairly full. I asked an FA just to make sure I was on the correct flight. She said that JFK-CLT has been such a success that they're upgrading to A320s.
Another employee told me that they're looking to add a fifth daily round trip on that route, if they can work out an open gate position.
Another employee told me that they're looking to add a fifth daily round trip on that route, if they can work out an open gate position.
Oct 8, 2006, 1:08 am
#22
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My dad is flying JFK-CLT-JFK today...the first flight is about 90% and his return flight is 100%. Looks like this route turned out to be a major success...even so early in the game! Mr. Parker might need to re-think his strategy in terms of competing with jetBlue at CLT.
Oct 8, 2006, 6:53 am
#23
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Love it
Originally Posted by jetBlueNYFL
My dad is flying JFK-CLT-JFK today...the first flight is about 90% and his return flight is 100%. Looks like this route turned out to be a major success...even so early in the game! Mr. Parker might need to re-think his strategy in terms of competing with jetBlue at CLT.
I love how Parker and US are eating his words. Story in USA Today about a week ago about how the merger is not going so well as before. Come on Jetblue how about CLT-FLL!
Oct 8, 2006, 8:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Brigri
I love how Parker and US are eating his words. Story in USA Today about a week ago about how the merger is not going so well as before. Come on Jetblue how about CLT-FLL!
Oct 9, 2006, 11:02 am
#26
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Originally Posted by PointJunkie
I was on 1085 tonight (10/7) JFK-CLT. Sure enough, I booked it last week as an E190 and it was changed to an A320. It was still fairly full. I asked an FA just to make sure I was on the correct flight. She said that JFK-CLT has been such a success that they're upgrading to A320s.
Another employee told me that they're looking to add a fifth daily round trip on that route, if they can work out an open gate position.
Another employee told me that they're looking to add a fifth daily round trip on that route, if they can work out an open gate position.
I am driving up from CAE, because for the price of one ticket on a legacy, I can fly 2 people up to NYC... Even with gas prices what they are....
Oct 9, 2006, 4:53 pm
#27
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It does not matter how high the loads are. What matters is the yield, which is difficult to determine. With the entire industry operating a record load factors, just about all flights to anywhere are close to full. Anyplace that is not running close to full loads all the time is probably either in bad shape or a hub operation trying to keep utilization high.
Oct 9, 2006, 4:56 pm
#28
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Originally Posted by AADC10
It does not matter how high the loads are. What matters is the yield, which is difficult to determine. With the entire industry operating a record load factors, just about all flights to anywhere are close to full. Anyplace that is not running close to full loads all the time is probably either in bad shape or a hub operation trying to keep utilization high.
You have a valid point and as I've mentioned earlier in this thread, jetBlue's fare structure on this route allows for nice yields. The lowest (non-sale) fare is just above break-even compared to CASM...then, factor in all the higher fares closer to date of departure. Therefore, when you have loads well above 90%, as in jetBlue's case, you're destined to make some nice money.
Oct 12, 2006, 6:08 pm
#29
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Originally Posted by fajimenez
I booked for 10/28 and 10/31 CLT-JFK-CLT, the flight numbers are greater than 1000, but when I went to the seat maps, it was 3x3 A320 both ways...
I am driving up from CAE, because for the price of one ticket on a legacy, I can fly 2 people up to NYC... Even with gas prices what they are....
I am driving up from CAE, because for the price of one ticket on a legacy, I can fly 2 people up to NYC... Even with gas prices what they are....
The flgiht numbers don't seem to be as good an indicator as they were before. I fly JFK-BOS 1002 pretty often and it's always operated with an A320.
Oct 12, 2006, 9:51 pm
#30
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Originally Posted by jetBlueNYFL
Therefore, when you have loads well above 90%, as in jetBlue's case, you're destined to make some nice money.