WARNING WILL ROBINSON "TROLL ALERT".

Not surprised to see this one troll making out themselves to be an astute observer of Japanese society's norms... ;P

As if I haven't seen any stereotypical views of Japanese society..

Sanosuke!

No, that is why I explained it again for you in any case. And you seem to not be able to grasp what role that colon played in the sentence and the parallel I was trying to make between my reaction to jib71's post and the fact that foreigners can't understand Japanese. And, you seem to think that your interpretation is more important than my interpretation of my own post??

Not one foreigner passed the entire Japanese bar exam ever in its previous iteration, and very few even passed the second stage. Foreigners include the whole world, as well. How many people have tried to learn Japanese and how many people suck at it? Yes, foreigners suck at Japanese.

Actually, yes. That's the concept known as communication. If, in general, your interpretation of what you said or wrote always took precedence over what the other person understood, then we have a problem. Perhaps it is something particular to the Japanese, and that would certainly explain why Mr. Kato is so inscrutable. My cat Smidgen also behaves that way, but he lives in his own little alternate furry universe anyway.

Not many Japanese passed the bar exam either, so what's your point? How many foreigners took the Japanese bar exam, anyway? Three?

And the Japanese aren't exactly known for their stellar command of English, so again, what's your point?

Not sure if the problem is s-b-t's eigo or s-b-t's ego.

Either way, I agree with Tokyorich.

Off-topic: there should be a Gif for Troll Alert. Maybe something like a hurricane flag, but with a picture of nerdy-looking teenager.

If she misunderstood what I wrote (or mistyped, as I'm known to do), then I get what you're saying and generally agree with it. However, in post #29, I clearly explained what my intentions were, and she should have understood it at that point. If she doesn't understand, that's her problem, not mine.

Yeah, never did I say that Japanese are known for their stellar command of English. If someone said Japanese people suck at English, I would agree with them, and there are complaints all over this board how "so and so" went to country x and "so and so"'s complaint was that no one could speak English. And so? It's true.

laplap could may even be right that 200 out of 2 million foreigners are truly fluent... I don't really count burakumin or koreans who are 4th generation Japanese to be foreigners either.

Then I must know about two dozen of them, all of them white as lilies. I must move in some pretty good circles.

Well, if you're a good judge of fluency, I suppose you're running in good circles. But until they can read and write fluently, I don't count them as fluent.

Okay, s-b-t, let me jump in here then.

What is your _standard_ or for the lack of a better word - "bar" for fluency then?

I hope you do know there is a thing called the JLPT. Read up on it, s-b-t.

Sanosuke!

I'd go with it's s-b-t's eigo. I'd also add that I doubt if s-b-t has actually been to Japan (unless s-b-t is actually Japanese).

Yes, I misunderstood the part that said - "re-read what I typed and come back to me".

On learning this, I'm sure all Japanese people with burakumin ancestry will collectively bow and thank you profusely, tears of gratitude glinting in their eyes.

I'm done with the feeding.

I don't know what role the colon plays in the sentence, but I know what role it plays in my anatomy. I'm quite fond of it and its fundamental contribution to my well-being. Without it, much more of what comes out that end would have to come out of my bucal sphincter, and we wouldn't want that.

This thread seems to have run its course.

Gary
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