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Old Jan 31, 2018, 2:31 pm
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I assume you meant "without breaking the bank" ?

with (a) breaking the bank, and (b) being looked at like an uncouth gaijin.


Originally Posted by milehighj
Well said. "High-end" and "mass market" are, with hindsight, not the perfect descriptors.

IMO there are two types of sushi experience:

First is the true hand-crafted sushi meal that typically involves a chef's omakase offerings in a Michelin-starred venue.

The second - and equally compelling - is the non-omakase, a-la-carte meal where one can freely order as many rounds of excellent, top-quality Otoro, Uni and other ultra-fresh delicacies with (a) breaking the bank, and (b) being looked at like an uncouth gaijin.

Finding the best second experience is the objective of this thread.
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Old Feb 1, 2018, 11:25 am
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Originally Posted by MikeFromTokyo
I enjoy Rosan, but find it much better if you sit at the counter, which is a bit more expensive. It’s a good casual sushi option in Shinjuku that does not require reservations.
Are children welcomed at Rosan?
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Old Feb 1, 2018, 12:04 pm
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Originally Posted by LAX/HKG
Are children welcomed at Rosan?
I would think so. A restaurant on the dining floors of a department store isn't going to have a problem with children. It's probably more "grown up" than some other department stores, but they'll be welcome.
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Old Feb 2, 2018, 1:44 pm
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>> dual menu system - a wider selection of sushi and other dishes for Japanese speaking customers with lower prices for the same menu items

Typically

Japanese menu: without consumption tax
English menu: with tax
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Old Feb 2, 2018, 4:56 pm
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Originally Posted by beep88
>> dual menu system - a wider selection of sushi and other dishes for Japanese speaking customers with lower prices for the same menu items

Typically

Japanese menu: without consumption tax
English menu: with tax
Except in this case, the menus and available options were completely different not just the prices. I got the distinct impression that asking for omakase or going off menu by a foreigner was strictly off limits.
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Old Feb 5, 2018, 9:33 am
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Originally Posted by LAX/HKG
Are children welcomed at Rosan?
Absolutely. I recommend sitting at the counter, which is a bit more expensive, but it’s a very pleasant place to have a casual sushi meal as a break from shopping at Isetan or if you just walk in off the street or subway lines. There are elevators that take you directly to the restaurant floors.
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Old Feb 6, 2018, 1:52 am
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Originally Posted by MikeFromTokyo


Absolutely. I recommend sitting at the counter, which is a bit more expensive, but it’s a very pleasant place to have a casual sushi meal as a break from shopping at Isetan or if you just walk in off the street or subway lines. There are elevators that take you directly to the restaurant floors.
Thanks Mike.

How much would a dinner cost at the sushi counter? Do they serve kid-friendly dishes?
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Old Feb 6, 2018, 4:14 am
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Do they serve kid-friendly dishes?
When I took my then two and a half year old, London born, daughter to Japan for the first time, her Grandfather took her to a non-"high-end" sushi place (Sushi Gin) in Azabu Juban for dinner. It wasn't an outrageously expensive restaurant, but it wasn't cheap either. It was her first taste of decent sushi. Grandfather started feeding her, she devoured everything she was given. She did so with great gusto which must have encouraged him and spurred his curiosity. He went on to request some of the pricier items for her. All I remember is that the more expensive the item, the more clearly she enjoyed and appreciated it, and the request for "mas?" ("more?) was made with increasing hopefulness. The item she went wildest for was uni - sea urchin. The itamae had brought out the good stuff, I think he was getting a kick out of seeing her eat too. LapGirl's enduring passion for decent sushi was born that evening. It's never diminished, but she will turn her nose up at the stuff from a chiller cabinet (seeing sushi in a freezer for sale at a Spanish Lidl traumatised her - she still gags at the recollection).
Kid-friendly sushi won't mean the same to you as to others. Salmon eggs (one of my own daughter's absolute favourites) and natto norimaki rolls are both popular with children.

What do you mean by "kid friendly"? Things that have been cooked? For me, somewhere like Rosan is already the very definition of "kid friendly".
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Old Feb 6, 2018, 4:17 am
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Originally Posted by LAX/HKG
How much would a dinner cost at the sushi counter? Do they serve kid-friendly dishes?
There are some photos of the restaurant and some photos of the set meals on this site. The main page of the site suggests that you should expect to spend 12,000 yen for dinner, but prices will vary greatly, depending on what you order and what you drink with that:
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Kid friendly ... Hmm. "Kid-friendly," is probably culturally specific. Japanese kids seem to love eating roe and other things that I would have been reluctant to eat when I was small. I would not bring a kid to a somewhat formal sushi restaurant unless the kid is sushi friendly. My expectation, if you ask for a kid friendly meal, is that you'll get sushi. They may use less wasabi (or no wasabi), and avoid delicacies like uni, or fish that are known to carry risks - either because of allergic reactions or because of bacteria (e.g. Katsuo, which is often seared on the outside for this reason). They might include things like boiled shrimp and egg, which don't taste as strong as silvery fish. And they'll have something sweet - fruit, at least.

In rotary sushi restaurants, which are geared specifically toward families, you'll see caramel puddings, fish sticks, potato salad, grilled chicken, and other nursery foods on plates. Perhaps places like Rosan have some of these things hidden away in a refrigerator somewhere. I wouldn't count on it.

I recall one thread on Flyertalk, where an American parent was upset that a British airline provided cheese and onion sandwiches for her child. The American parent couldn't see how such a thing could be deemed "kid-friendly," in any culture. And she's quite right. It's perverse of the British to serve such unwholesome muck to kids instead of peanut butter and jelly.
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Old Feb 6, 2018, 4:30 am
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Two more thoughts -
1. My feeling about the counter is that it's a more "grown up" space than the tables. Folks at the counter will be chatting away to the chefs. You know your child, so you can best judge if he or she would feel at ease with sushi chefs who may be watching to see his or her reactions to their creations etc.
2. Forgive me if you know this, but I think it's worth pointing out that Japanese restaurants tend to specialize in one cuisine. Some do nothing but fried pork, some others do nothing but ramen, and most sushi places do nothing but sushi.
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Old Feb 6, 2018, 4:52 am
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Originally Posted by jib71
2. Forgive me if you know this, but I think it's worth pointing out that Japanese restaurants tend to specialize in one cuisine. Some do nothing but fried pork, some others do nothing but ramen, and most sushi places do nothing but sushi.
Although this is mostly true, there is a kind of exception, and that's for the restaurants that offer an "okosama" option - usually lunch - which is exclusively for children.
So, a restaurant that specialises in soba may have an okosama option with a tray with, for example, potato salad, perhaps some burger and sauce, a pudding and fruit as well as a small portion of soba, they often have a cute flag, perhaps even a little toy (my memory is fuzzy, but I believe Sarashina Honten in Azabu Juban had this option). The original, proudly Meiji era, Meisen restaurant near Harajuku has a very good okosama offering. My kid has had okosama meals at Tonkatsu restaurants also. Often, even if the restaurant has a web page in English, the okosama choice often doesn't appear, nor does it always feature in the restaurant's English menu. It may be worth asking (Okosama ranchi arimas..ka? - is there an okosama lunch?)
I can't really imagine an okosama option at a sushi place that would have much in it other than sushi. The sushi okosama choice for my kid is a simple - no wasabi please!

Edit to add: link showing the Okosama lunch at Meisen https://www.kodomoboshi.com/omotesan...en-aoyama.html
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Old Feb 6, 2018, 5:02 am
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Originally Posted by LapLap
It may be worth asking (Okosama ranchi arimas..ka? - is there an okosama lunch?)
I can't really imagine an okosama option at a sushi place that would have much in it other than sushi. The sushi okosama choice for my kid is a simple - no wasabi please!
Perhaps worth asking a Japanese speaker to call ahead and ask whether there's a okosama lunch and, if so, what's in it.

As you say, it's more likely to be this:
https://uds.gnst.jp/rest/img/n7une5n...g?t=1401154891

Than this:
https://www.smuckers.com/recipes/pbj-sushi-rolls-3004
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Old Feb 6, 2018, 6:54 am
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Originally Posted by LapLap
The original, proudly Meiji era, Meisen restaurant near Harajuku has a very good okosama offering.
The original Maisen was in Hibiya in the basement of the Hibiya Mitsui building (now gone) next to the Takarazuka. And it dates from the mid-60s, not Meiji era.
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Old Feb 6, 2018, 7:03 am
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I planned late, so no surprise my options were limited - some of these locations are high-end, some mid-end, but all were booked for my one available dinner option: Jiro Roppongi, Shinbashi Shimizu, Hatsunesushi, Tokami, and Sugita....so my concierge offered a 'consolation prize' of a lower priced, yet still premium option, Sushidokoro Suzu.

Does anyone have any experience at, or knowledge of Sushidokoro Suzu?
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Old Feb 6, 2018, 7:22 am
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Originally Posted by Pickles
The original Maisen was in Hibiya in the basement of the Hibiya Mitsui building (now gone) next to the Takarazuka. And it dates from the mid-60s, not Meiji era.
Thank you. That will teach me for taking the Maisen Aoyama Honten name at face value!
Is the Meiji style dining hall taken over from another establishment? Or a re-creation? It is glorious, regardless.
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