Timatic "supporting document" & denied boarding
#1
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Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 2
Timatic "supporting document" & denied boarding
Hello,
I am a US passport holder with a resident/work permit in India.
I was vacationing in Sri Lanka and denied boarding back to India on Sri Lankan airlines/One World Partner because I only had a black and white copy of my resident permit.
Valid passport
Valid multi entry India visa
black and white copy of resident permit (I was allowed to leave India with same document, and stamped in passport)
2 days later I was allowed boarding and did not have any issues at India immigration with my same resident permit. Of course, I had to pay for the new one way ticket and "no show penalty fee".
According to Timatic:
Passengers with a Registration Certificate/Residential Permit must also travel with the supporting documents allowing them to stay in India.
Also note, that I am highest One World Emerald tier member.
I had already checked in online on my phone and had the boarding pass on my phone.
Arrived 3 hours before my flight.
I only stopped at the check in counter to get the lounge pass. At this point they denied my boarding due to copy of resident permit.
What is the definition of "supporting document"? It doesn't specify that it has to be the original copy. The black and white copy had the exact same information and matching numbers that matched my passport and multi entry visa.
I have already written to Sri Lankan airlines and just received a reply with absolutely no documentation stating why they are declining any responsibility nor refund.
Do you think I have any further recourse to get a refund ~US$1500.
Thank you.
I am a US passport holder with a resident/work permit in India.
I was vacationing in Sri Lanka and denied boarding back to India on Sri Lankan airlines/One World Partner because I only had a black and white copy of my resident permit.
Valid passport
Valid multi entry India visa
black and white copy of resident permit (I was allowed to leave India with same document, and stamped in passport)
2 days later I was allowed boarding and did not have any issues at India immigration with my same resident permit. Of course, I had to pay for the new one way ticket and "no show penalty fee".
According to Timatic:
Passengers with a Registration Certificate/Residential Permit must also travel with the supporting documents allowing them to stay in India.
Also note, that I am highest One World Emerald tier member.
I had already checked in online on my phone and had the boarding pass on my phone.
Arrived 3 hours before my flight.
I only stopped at the check in counter to get the lounge pass. At this point they denied my boarding due to copy of resident permit.
What is the definition of "supporting document"? It doesn't specify that it has to be the original copy. The black and white copy had the exact same information and matching numbers that matched my passport and multi entry visa.
I have already written to Sri Lankan airlines and just received a reply with absolutely no documentation stating why they are declining any responsibility nor refund.
Do you think I have any further recourse to get a refund ~US$1500.
Thank you.
#2


Join Date: Sep 2012
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Usually you always have to have such documents as an original or as official copy with you for immigration and document checks at departure. Black & White copies might work, might not work - in your case it didn't one time and worked another. The original document will always work.
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It doesn't specify you can present a photocopy, either. It is understood that you will produce the actual document. You cannot photocopy your passport or visa and hand that over. Like a passport, the permit is no doubt physically unique to counter fraud. A photocopy can easily be faked.
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Welcome to FlyerTalk.
You can always try getting a refund, given you were ultimately admitted both to board and on arrival in India. They might grant it, they migh not. Your oneworld status could help.
I'd say photocopies sufficient for international travel unless photocopies are clearly specified as acceptable. Just as a photocopy of your passport won't work, or a photocopy of your green card won't work.
Today's world migration climate emphasize the necessity of presenting original documents to airline agents and others involved in immigration approvals, IMO.
You can always try getting a refund, given you were ultimately admitted both to board and on arrival in India. They might grant it, they migh not. Your oneworld status could help.
I'd say photocopies sufficient for international travel unless photocopies are clearly specified as acceptable. Just as a photocopy of your passport won't work, or a photocopy of your green card won't work.
Today's world migration climate emphasize the necessity of presenting original documents to airline agents and others involved in immigration approvals, IMO.
#7
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Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 2
Thank you all. Of course, I understand that original is always best.
The original resident permit is not physically unique. The original is a b&w computer A4 printed paper with a 1 inch round purple symbol and signature stamp. It is not anything other than a plain piece of A4 paper.
The original has a b&w photo of me on it. All the numbers on my multi entry visa match the numbers on the resident permit. The stamped signature matches in both permit and visa. The only thing different was that I had a b&w round stamp and signature, instead of purple.
In the 14 months I've had the permit and traveled almost monthly overseas, this was the very first time I've ever been asked for it at departure from a foreign airport. I am now aware that timatic does mention the supporting document. I have always shown the resident permit (copy) at both departure and arrival in India, along with my passport and visa but never previously at a foreign country departure.
What is frustrating is that if I did not need the lounge pass, I could have gone straight to the gate with my phone boarding pass. I was already checked in.
The original resident permit is not physically unique. The original is a b&w computer A4 printed paper with a 1 inch round purple symbol and signature stamp. It is not anything other than a plain piece of A4 paper.
The original has a b&w photo of me on it. All the numbers on my multi entry visa match the numbers on the resident permit. The stamped signature matches in both permit and visa. The only thing different was that I had a b&w round stamp and signature, instead of purple.
In the 14 months I've had the permit and traveled almost monthly overseas, this was the very first time I've ever been asked for it at departure from a foreign airport. I am now aware that timatic does mention the supporting document. I have always shown the resident permit (copy) at both departure and arrival in India, along with my passport and visa but never previously at a foreign country departure.
What is frustrating is that if I did not need the lounge pass, I could have gone straight to the gate with my phone boarding pass. I was already checked in.
#8


Join Date: Sep 2012
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Sorry, copy is not sufficient in most cases where you have to produce official documents of any kind.
Having a b/w copy it was just very easy for them to spot it was indeed a copy and not the original. With a good color copy this can be tricky (I actually needed quite some time to figure out which of all the copies was my university diploma since the color copies where so good, you couldn't see much of a difference).
Having a b/w copy it was just very easy for them to spot it was indeed a copy and not the original. With a good color copy this can be tricky (I actually needed quite some time to figure out which of all the copies was my university diploma since the color copies where so good, you couldn't see much of a difference).



