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Keyser Jan 28, 2018 12:07 am

after reading some of the comments here, i asked my buddy at the external affairs ministry how they kept track of indian citizens living abroad....he said based on the passport & visa status of all indians overseas, they know exactly who is living in which country....they have a database which is extremely easy to maintain....

oliver2002 Jan 28, 2018 2:49 am

They installed that database when the emigration clearance was abolished. Its faulty though, as the MEA cannot know which visa you apply for or which were extended... its not like you run to the consulate or passport office everytime you get a visa? The BoI also doesn't enter the visas they see in your passport when you pass thru the border. They only check if you have a visa for the destination.

Acid Jan 28, 2018 7:58 am

Thanks Keyser/Oliver2002. I hope they never consider giving NRI's a special colored passport like the proposed Orange for ECR's. I Bleed Blue! :)

GUWonder Jan 28, 2018 1:46 pm


Originally Posted by Keyser (Post 29348177)
after reading some of the comments here, i asked my buddy at the external affairs ministry how they kept track of indian citizens living abroad....he said based on the passport & visa status of all indians overseas, they know exactly who is living in which country....they have a database which is extremely easy to maintain....

It’s far from being wholly accurate, but the GoI has enough data about enough of the Indian citizen GE applicants to know if most of the 2017/2018 applicants are resident or not in India.

obelix1 Jan 28, 2018 6:29 pm


Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 29348418)
They installed that database when the emigration clearance was abolished. Its faulty though, as the MEA cannot know which visa you apply for or which were extended... its not like you run to the consulate or passport office everytime you get a visa? The BoI also doesn't enter the visas they see in your passport when you pass thru the border. They only check if you have a visa for the destination.

This is exactly the point. People who live outside of India don't necessarily travel to India frequently or interact with Indian system that may seek latest status to show whether on resides there or just visits. Also, people in US apply for status with USCIS but travel is handled by DHS. They are two independent federal agency.

This application would have better managed if Indian citizens in US were done for background check by CBP directly as they have much longer history (recent) history. PCC done by Indian govt. along with passport cross reference should have been sufficient. It will come to that sure in it's 2.0 avatar.

Keyser Jan 28, 2018 10:43 pm


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 29350177)
It’s far from being wholly accurate, but the GoI has enough data about enough of the Indian citizen GE applicants to know if most of the 2017/2018 applicants are resident or not in India.

i agree....

Keyser Jan 28, 2018 10:44 pm


Originally Posted by obelix1 (Post 29351039)
This is exactly the point. People who live outside of India don't necessarily travel to India frequently or interact with Indian system that may seek latest status to show whether on resides there or just visits. Also, people in US apply for status with USCIS but travel is handled by DHS. They are two independent federal agency.

This application would have better managed if Indian citizens in US were done for background check by CBP directly as they have much longer history (recent) history. PCC done by Indian govt. along with passport cross reference should have been sufficient. It will come to that sure in it's 2.0 avatar.

the simple fact is that this whole process has been handled extremely poorly by the indian government....

anirudh666 Jan 30, 2018 9:40 am


Originally Posted by Acid (Post 29349004)
Thanks Keyser/Oliver2002. I hope they never consider giving NRI's a special colored passport like the proposed Orange for ECR's. I Bleed Blue! :)

Looks like the MEA reversed their earlier decision to give orange passports for ECR people. Everyone gets a blue passport as per news reports today. Also, the address page will stay, for what it’s worth

tomcat007 Jan 30, 2018 7:03 pm


Originally Posted by Keyser (Post 29348177)
after reading some of the comments here, i asked my buddy at the external affairs ministry how they kept track of indian citizens living abroad....he said based on the passport & visa status of all indians overseas, they know exactly who is living in which country....they have a database which is extremely easy to maintain....

They have exit control so they know you left the country and they scan the visa of the country you are visiting. How would they know you went to a third country from there unless the other government or airline shared that information?

Keyser Jan 31, 2018 1:35 am


Originally Posted by tomcat007 (Post 29360005)
They have exit control so they know you left the country and they scan the visa of the country you are visiting. How would they know you went to a third country from there unless the other government or airline shared that information?

no clue at all....maybe that info is shared, maybe its not....i don't really care what they know & how they know it....all i want is for my application to be processed quickly....unfortunately that is not likely to happen because the indian government has once again implemented this in the worst way possible....

anirudh666 Jan 31, 2018 8:28 pm


Originally Posted by Keyser (Post 29361008)
no clue at all....maybe that info is shared, maybe its not....i don't really care what they know & how they know it....all i want is for my application to be processed quickly....unfortunately that is not likely to happen because the indian government has once again implemented this in the worst way possible....

Writing grievances to the Passport office has also become an exercise in futility. Plus it’s perhaps beyond their pay grade to get this stuff fixed.

Keyser Jan 31, 2018 10:52 pm


Originally Posted by anirudh666 (Post 29364849)
Writing grievances to the Passport office has also become an exercise in futility. Plus it’s perhaps beyond their pay grade to get this stuff fixed.

it is....i have access to senior raking officials & the minister herself & they have all expressed their inability to fix this....so the passport office has no chance at all....

Dam A Feb 1, 2018 5:13 pm

My status in Passport India portal says "GEP verification has been initiated on your application blah blah blah ....." , same status from Sep 2017 and no change in status after that.. does anyone who submitted for GEP in that time frame got approved? good to know coupe of guys got approved.

anirudh666 Feb 2, 2018 6:53 am


Originally Posted by damodararji (Post 29368958)
My status in Passport India portal says "GEP verification has been initiated on your application blah blah blah ....." , same status from Sep 2017 and no change in status after that.. does anyone who submitted for GEP in that time frame got approved? good to know coupe of guys got approved.

Are you living in US or India? You didn't mention that.

If you're living in India, you can forget about an approval any time soon, as per Keyser's comments above.

Dam A Feb 2, 2018 7:24 am


Originally Posted by anirudh666 (Post 29370941)
Are you living in US or India? You didn't mention that.

If you're living in India, you can forget about an approval any time soon, as per Keyser's comments above.

Sorry, I am in US right now. I completed the GEP verification process during my recent trip to India in Aug 2017. Same status since then. I had requested status update thru grievance, however they said they are waiting from MHA and Finance depts and this is in october. pretty ridiculous........


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