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Old May 2, 2007 | 5:59 pm
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My aunt stayed at the Toronto Park Hyatt a few weeks ago, and upon checking out, she noticed that the hotel had charged her for having the concierge making restaurant reservations and getting baseball tickets. No one told her she would be charged. That's the first time I've heard of having to pay for the assistance of a concierge, especially at a Park Hyatt. Is this a common practice?
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Old May 2, 2007 | 8:54 pm
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This sounds strange - at least it should have been disclosed by the concierge at the time of the service. At the GH Dubai, the concierge desk booked an excursion for me and asked for payment in cash or can be charged to the room with a service charge of 5% (which I chose since I didn't have enough AED on me).
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Originally Posted by JflyerYYZ
My aunt stayed at the Toronto Park Hyatt a few weeks ago, and upon checking out, she noticed that the hotel had charged her for having the concierge making restaurant reservations and getting baseball tickets. No one told her she would be charged. That's the first time I've heard of having to pay for the assistance of a concierge, especially at a Park Hyatt. Is this a common practice?

I certainly was not charged in Toronto for restaurant reservations!
I thought this is one of the reasons why one stays at good hotels and not Days Inn!
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Wasn't there some talk about hotels outsourcing their concierge desk and even using it to make revenue by "selling" the concierge service (and space) to an outside party and/or save money by not having to provide the service themselves?

Is Hyatt doing this too? Also, is the PH Tokyo one of the places where a hotel has been paid by one of the "concierge service providers" to allow them to operate there? If so, I'm not surprised that the concierge service provider (and/or hotel) would try to supplement their income this way too.

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The Concierge's Secret Agenda
Unbeknownst to Guests, Hotels
Rent Out the Service Desk;
A $4,000 Bill For Activities
By HANNAH KARP
September 8, 2006

(See Corrections & Amplifications item below.)

Call centers in India are one thing. But unbeknownst to most travelers, hotels are quietly outsourcing a core position that can make or break a guest's vacation: the concierge.

After years of promoting concierges who will unpack luggage and arrange pet massages, some of the nation's biggest chains are trimming costs by renting out concierge desks at more of their hotels. Increasingly, employees of ticket vendors and hospitality groups, rather than hotel workers, are stationed in the lobby to steer guests to restaurants, shows and car services. These third-party concierges may have an agenda beyond making guests happy -- namely, selling enough tickets to turn a profit for their employers.

Such outsourcing is becoming more common. Online travel agent Expedia acquired 38 concierge desks in North America last year, almost all located in hotels. It now operates a total of 76 desks -- double its total from the beginning of 2005. Ticket vendor Vegas.com, which currently runs the show in six hotels, says it has agreements to set up shop in at least 24 more this year. One-year-old Tour Links LLC operates in five San Francisco hotels, including the Argent and the Hyatt at Fisherman' Wharf, and says it will be in two more next month. Chains including Hyatt, Marriott, Starwood and Kimpton confirm they've signed up for the services at some properties.

Little of this is immediately apparent to guests: In many cases, these concierges dress in hotel uniforms and are instructed not to identify their employer. "We have an agreement with the hotels, and we don't promote that we're separate. We fit in, we wear the name tags," says John Williams, president of New York Guest. The five-year-old service staffs the concierge desk at 15 hotels in Manhattan, up from five last year.

Hotels are signing on to save money as competition grows. Hotel construction is up 44% this year, says Bjorn Hansen, a hospitality analyst at PricewaterhouseCoopers. Mr. Hansen says training and paying staff is one of the biggest costs for hotels, and using an outside service can save hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. At the same time, skeptical travelers are now looking beyond the desk for recommendations -- buying tickets on the Internet, or skirting a concierge's hotel-sanctioned advice in favor of edgier nightclub or bar picks from the bellman or bartender.

Critics question the outside services' objectivity. While old-style, hotel-employed concierges receive commissions of up to 15% on some bookings -- say, from a limousine company -- they have an incentive to keep guests happy so they'll return to the hotel. By contrast, third-party concierges are employed by companies that make money on commissions from suppliers such as tour operators, event managers and car-rental companies. And because hotels are often being paid to host these outside concierges, analysts say they may be more lenient about the level of service.

Learning the Key Detail

For years, retired New York sales executive Alisha Wynn sent out-of-town friends to the Crowne Plaza near the United Nations. They said they liked the hotel, she says, and the concierges often went out of their way to get better rates and upgraded rooms, mail packages or even drive them to the hospital. But last year, her friends started complaining that the staff gave poor advice on Broadway shows and sometimes were hard to find. After calling one day to reach a concierge she'd known for years, she learned a key detail: The hotel had switched to a concierge service after InterContinental Hotels Group took over the property in 2005.

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The companies that supply the concierge services, meanwhile, say their employees have the same goal that an in-house concierge would. They want to keep customers happy, because hotels have their pick of hospitality companies and could kick a service out of the lobby at any time. New York Guest cites another incentive: The company courts hotel guests and corporate clients to use the service for bookings even after they've checked out, says Mr. Williams, a relationship that could help draw satisfied guests back to the hotel.

Some hotels, including the Fairmont, Four Seasons and Ritz-Carlton, say they're keeping their concierge staff in house. Others are taking a mixed approach. Kimpton has a "Romance Sommelier" at its 70 Park Avenue hotel in New York, who will serenade couples and arrange candle-lit baths, and a "Canine Concierge" at San Francisco's Hotel Palomar who directs guests to pet-friendly parks and pet spas. However, the company has rented out the concierge desk at some of its other San Francisco hotels, including the Argonaut and the Tuscan Inn.

The outsourced concierge represents a big turnaround from the concierge craze of the past decade. Starting in the late 1990s, midpriced chains such as Hyatt and Hilton followed in the steps of luxury hotels by beefing up their concierge services, to help guests with everything from room upgrades to local services. As travel boomed and boutique hotels multiplied, smaller properties jumped on board to differentiate themselves, adding dedicated staff to entertain kids or get guests into exclusive nightclubs. Concierge desks soon spread beyond hotels, showing up at shopping malls, banks and movie theaters.

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Savvy travelers have long taken the advice of any concierge with a grain of salt. Standard hotel concierges earn an average of $20,000 to $50,000 a year, according to concierge association Les Clefs d'Or USA, and about 15% of their salary comes from commissions for booking clients with certain transportation companies, restaurants and tour operators.

Travel brokers, including Expedia and New York Guest, won't disclose how much or on what basis they pay their staff. Travelocity, which has offered the service for two years, says some of its concierges are paid commissions, and some aren't. Lobby rental fees vary by location: Hotels say they're typically paid several thousand dollars a month, with one concierge service saying it pays more than $10,000 a month at one property. The Hyatt Regency in Maui, which uses Expedia at its concierge desk, charges between $1,800 and $3,200 a month for lobby space, says hotel manager Frank Levy. Outside services aren't charged for access to the lobbies of a few hotel chains, including Embassy Suites, which typically doesn't employ its own concierge staff.

No Such Person

The strategy is paying off for Expedia, which got into the concierge business in 2003. With desks in 18 Orlando hotels, it sells more tickets to Disney World on site than online, says Will Daugherty, vice president of destination services. In Hawaii, the company books 90% of activities on location, and 10% online. (Four years ago, Expedia sold tickets for those activities online only.) Some hotels maintain an in-house concierge and have Expedia run a separate activity booth.

But many use Expedia's service only, and the affiliation may not be clear. At the Sheraton Safari hotel in Orlando, where Expedia moved in last year, concierge Grace Acuna said guests have no idea "at all" she isn't on the hotel staff. At the Hyatt Regency in Maui, Expedia employees wear "Aloha" shirts and name tags without the Expedia logo.

The division of labor can lead to confusion among guests and the hotels' own staff. When Jared PoVey phoned the concierge at the Hyatt Regency in Maui from his home in Salt Lake City in July to plan a trip, he was initially impressed. The concierge seemed so knowledgeable he signed up for four days of activities, at a total of $4,000, including a five-hour snorkeling tour, parasailing and a helicopter ride. But when the 30-year-old sales executive called back a few days later and asked for the concierge by first name, he was told no such person worked for the hotel. "I couldn't understand why they bounced me around so many times before I finally got to her," says Mr. PoVey.

A Hyatt spokeswoman says the property doesn't tell guests it uses Expedia because it wants guests' experience "to be as seamless and transparent as possible." Expedia adds that it has fired several concierges after guests complained. "They were not getting the personalized concierge service they were expecting," says Mr. Daugherty.

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Las Vegas's Venetian hotel employs its own concierges, though Travelocity concierges are employed at the Grand Canal Shoppes, owned by General Growth Properties and located in the same building. This article should have noted the Venetian's own concierge staff and incorrectly implied that the hotel owns the shops.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB115767671822257109.html

Now I'm curious which Hyatt's have such an arrangement.

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Old May 2, 2007 | 10:49 pm
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Another interesting article. Thanks for posting. ^ It's pretty hard to miss the fact that the HR Maui concierges are from Expedia. The Expedia signs are all over the lobby as well as the activities book. I rarely use concierges so it doesn't bother me much, but I'd certainly prefer to go to a "regular" concierge than some Expedia concierge that will only steer me towards something that will get him a kickback or make his company an extra buck.
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interesting, I really only use the concierge if I am short on time or its a list minute trip.
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Old May 3, 2007 | 8:08 am
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I would have protested the charge, and even now, I think she should call Hyatt Customer Service and question it.
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I think came about because people were not tipping very much for services such a reservations and directions.
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB115767671822257109.html

Now I'm curious which Hyatt's have such an arrangement.
Great article, thanks. The concept of outsourced concierges is one thing, and not necessarily a negative. Also, concierges (outsourced or not) getting kick-backs is one thing; I certainly accept that.

But to be charged for a concierge service -- especially at a Park Hyatt, and especially without it being disclosed, and especially for such routine services as the ones that you were charged for -- is outrageous. I would recommend that you complain to Hyatt management. Please let us know what happens!
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Old May 4, 2007 | 11:14 am
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?Concierges and room upgrades?

Originally Posted by GUWonder
...and the concierges often went out of their way to get better rates and upgraded rooms...
HUH???...beefing up their concierge services, to help guests with everything from room upgrades...???

non sequitor. Concierge getting better rates and upgrade rooms?? Where does that happen? Restaurant, theater, and event reservations/information--that's what I'm aware of. Have I been missing something all these years?
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Although I very rarely use any concierge services, I really don't want them to be outside contractor who is only pushing their "preferred" providers who provide the greatest kick back.
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Old May 27, 2007 | 11:34 pm
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This is pretty interesting. Last week I was researching the Park Hyatt Toronto on Tripadvisor.com and noticed that one guest complained of finding an unexpected charge on her bill after asking the concierge there for assistance.

At the time, I brushed this off as some sort of confusion or mistake... however, this now seems like it might be SOP there.
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Old May 28, 2007 | 3:01 am
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Originally Posted by holtju2
Although I very rarely use any concierge services, I really don't want them to be outside contractor who is only pushing their "preferred" providers who provide the greatest kick back.
I found that the GH Kauai concierge staff does this I asked them about transportation locally and to the airport and was told that the ONLY way was a taxi. Interestingly enough, a hostess at one of the resort restaurants told me about a local shuttle service that was somethin like $2 within Poipu and $10-$15 to the airport. Saved me a lot of money last year.

Interestingly enough, a woman sharing the airport shuttle with me said that the concierge staff at the nearby Sheraton happily informed her about the local shuttle service. Seems as if they were more interested in taking care of the guests than kickbacks unlike the staff at the Hyatt.

It's really frustrating when you think about it. We already spend so much money there that the concierge service shouldn't be a hard sell or available only for a price.
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Old May 28, 2007 | 7:34 am
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Originally Posted by chicaloca453
I found that the GH Kauai concierge staff does this...
chicaloca453, Does the same apply to the Grand Club staff or just the general concierge?
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