Automatic housekeeping gratuities?
#16
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL
Posts: 3,360
Given that you were being charged a fee that wasn't disclosed, maybe you should consider contacting someone in government. I'm not sure who that would be in this case. Perhaps the City Attorney for Henderson?
https://www.cityofhenderson.com/gove.../city-attorney
There is a public email address on that site. Even if the City Attorney doesn't care (or if that's not the entity that covers this sort of thing), sending an email with a copy also sent to the hotel might be enough to scare the hotel into stopping this nonsense.
https://www.cityofhenderson.com/gove.../city-attorney
There is a public email address on that site. Even if the City Attorney doesn't care (or if that's not the entity that covers this sort of thing), sending an email with a copy also sent to the hotel might be enough to scare the hotel into stopping this nonsense.
#17
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: LAX/SMF/PDX/HNL
Programs: Hilton-lifetime diamond, Southwest A+, companion pass
Posts: 1,752
I have my own set of undisclosed fees which I reveal when checking out:
No maid service (-$5/night)
Shower pressure inadequate (-$3/day/person)
Waiting for elevator more than 2 minutes (-$2/minute/incident)
Elevator out of service for > 5 days (-$100/elevator)
Internet download speed < 5Mbps (-$ 1/Mbps/minute slower than 5)
Internet requires logging in after first login ($35/occurrence. $50 if the additional login is required between the hours of 10pm and 8am)
Services listed as included in "resort fee" but which are not actually available (-$25/missing service/night)
No maid service (-$5/night)
Shower pressure inadequate (-$3/day/person)
Waiting for elevator more than 2 minutes (-$2/minute/incident)
Elevator out of service for > 5 days (-$100/elevator)
Internet download speed < 5Mbps (-$ 1/Mbps/minute slower than 5)
Internet requires logging in after first login ($35/occurrence. $50 if the additional login is required between the hours of 10pm and 8am)
Services listed as included in "resort fee" but which are not actually available (-$25/missing service/night)
Last edited by dlaue; Jun 22, 2021 at 10:43 pm
#18
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: BRS
Programs: BA Gold, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 4,996
I have my own set of undisclosed fees which I reveal when checking out:
No maid service (-$5/night)
Shower pressure inadequate (-$3/day/person)
Waiting for elevator more than 2 minutes (-$2/minute/incident)
Elevator out of service for > 5 days (-$100/elevator)
Internet download speed < 5Mbps (-$ 1/Mbps/minute slower than 5)
Internet requires logging in after first login ($35/occurrence. $50 if the additional login is required between the hours of 10pm and 8am)
Services listed as included in "resort fee" but which are not actually available (-$25/missing service/night)
No maid service (-$5/night)
Shower pressure inadequate (-$3/day/person)
Waiting for elevator more than 2 minutes (-$2/minute/incident)
Elevator out of service for > 5 days (-$100/elevator)
Internet download speed < 5Mbps (-$ 1/Mbps/minute slower than 5)
Internet requires logging in after first login ($35/occurrence. $50 if the additional login is required between the hours of 10pm and 8am)
Services listed as included in "resort fee" but which are not actually available (-$25/missing service/night)
#19
Original Poster
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: San Diego, CA
Programs: Southwest A-List; Alaska MVPG; Hilton Diamond; Avis PreferredPlus; Marriott Bonvoy Platinum Elite
Posts: 922
Just an update on this.
The HH Ambassador reached out to me and asked me to send an email to customer care detailing my experience.
I have emailed the GM of the hotel, alerting him of my experience and expressing my concern and disappointment. I informed him that I would be unlikely to return to his hotel, and that I would copy him on my emails to the City Attorney and Hilton Customer Care. (I also told him that if he should consider paying housekeeping more if he thinks that $5 is an appropriate gratuity for a one-night stay.)
I emailed the City Attorney, indicating that while I am not certain of the legality of the practice, I wanted to alert his office to my experience.
I emailed Hilton, and attached my emails to the GM and to the City Attorney.
I have no interest in this becoming a "new normal," and so the scorched earth approach seemed appropriate.
The HH Ambassador reached out to me and asked me to send an email to customer care detailing my experience.
I have emailed the GM of the hotel, alerting him of my experience and expressing my concern and disappointment. I informed him that I would be unlikely to return to his hotel, and that I would copy him on my emails to the City Attorney and Hilton Customer Care. (I also told him that if he should consider paying housekeeping more if he thinks that $5 is an appropriate gratuity for a one-night stay.)
I emailed the City Attorney, indicating that while I am not certain of the legality of the practice, I wanted to alert his office to my experience.
I emailed Hilton, and attached my emails to the GM and to the City Attorney.
I have no interest in this becoming a "new normal," and so the scorched earth approach seemed appropriate.
#20
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Florida
Programs: United, Marriott, Ritz-Carlton, Hilton
Posts: 49
I have one experience in discourse with a GM and the second I mentioned I would be unlikely to return the GM shut down all communication and ignored me. This was over a housekeeping incident when I extended my stay by a week and housekeeping cleaned my room out completely because they did not get the message I was extending and thought I had checked out and left all my stuff in the room. Not the same hotel, not even the same brand. The point is probably don't mention you are not coming back.
#21
Join Date: Jul 2012
Programs: HH D
Posts: 1,644
I wonder if the $5 was per night or per stay. In the latter case I would find it a great convenience, otherwise a bit expensive, still maybe even worth it. You would not know how hard it is for us foreign tourists, used to only pay contact-less, never having any real currency at hand except maybe some larger bills in case everything breaks down. It is so hard to get all those needed $-bills together or even $5 or $10 bills (like when you get an upgrade to a nice 1-bedroom.) Only to realize: I cannot afford to tip $10 each day, my next stop will be at a primitive campground that doesn't even charge $10 a night. So, you’ll leave on the "do not disturb" sign on the room every second day.
Why not raise all hotel room rates by a couple of dollars to let everyone be able to get a decent pay and stop all this 'tipping the housekeeping' nonsense? Like only tip when some extra service has been provided.
Why not raise all hotel room rates by a couple of dollars to let everyone be able to get a decent pay and stop all this 'tipping the housekeeping' nonsense? Like only tip when some extra service has been provided.
#22
Original Poster
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: San Diego, CA
Programs: Southwest A-List; Alaska MVPG; Hilton Diamond; Avis PreferredPlus; Marriott Bonvoy Platinum Elite
Posts: 922
I have one experience in discourse with a GM and the second I mentioned I would be unlikely to return the GM shut down all communication and ignored me. This was over a housekeeping incident when I extended my stay by a week and housekeeping cleaned my room out completely because they did not get the message I was extending and thought I had checked out and left all my stuff in the room. Not the same hotel, not even the same brand. The point is probably don't mention you are not coming back.
My purpose at this point is to do whatever small part I can in preventing this from becoming prevalent at other properties in the hotel chain without appropriate oversight and the ability to opt-in/out and set your own tip.
#23
Original Poster
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: San Diego, CA
Programs: Southwest A-List; Alaska MVPG; Hilton Diamond; Avis PreferredPlus; Marriott Bonvoy Platinum Elite
Posts: 922
I wonder if the $5 was per night or per stay. In the latter case I would find it a great convenience, otherwise a bit expensive, still maybe even worth it. You would not know how hard it is for us foreign tourists, used to only pay contact-less, never having any real currency at hand except maybe some larger bills in case everything breaks down. It is so hard to get all those needed $-bills together or even $5 or $10 bills (like when you get an upgrade to a nice 1-bedroom.) Only to realize: I cannot afford to tip $10 each day, my next stop will be at a primitive campground that doesn't even charge $10 a night. So, you’ll leave on the "do not disturb" sign on the room every second day.
Why not raise all hotel room rates by a couple of dollars to let everyone be able to get a decent pay and stop all this 'tipping the housekeeping' nonsense? Like only tip when some extra service has been provided.
Why not raise all hotel room rates by a couple of dollars to let everyone be able to get a decent pay and stop all this 'tipping the housekeeping' nonsense? Like only tip when some extra service has been provided.
Additionally, I also agree that the ability to easily add housekeeping gratuities to the folio would be a great convenience -- probably for everyone involved (except for those employees who currently choose to underreport their gratuities to Uncle Sam).
Having said that, there needs to be some established, brand-wide policies regarding this:
1) Such a system would have to be opt-in by nature, with the ability for the guest to choose whether or not and how much to tip housekeeping.
2) Clear assurances, possibly with corporate audit, that the gratuities are actually going directly to the housekeeping staff, and are not merely used to supplement the hotel's payroll expenses.
3) An explanation as to whether these tips are pooled and divided among all service staff, or all housekeeping staff, or simply to YOUR housekeeper.
4) If a multi-day stay, an explanation as to whether the tips are divided among all housekeepers who served your room, or go to the housekeeper who serviced your room at the end of your stay.
5) Clear communication about whether or not gratuities added to the folio are taxable, and whether or not they qualify for HH points.
(I want to be clear -- I'm not opposed to paying housekeeping staff well... or even tipping them well. I AM opposed to undisclosed, automatic tipping.)
#24
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: MCO
Posts: 384
I want to be careful that this stays away from a discussion on tipping... I've seen those get out of hand! Having said that, I actually agree with you -- pay people a good wage and reserve gratuities for TRULY EXCEPTIONAL service with no expectation otherwise.
Additionally, I also agree that the ability to easily add housekeeping gratuities to the folio would be a great convenience -- probably for everyone involved (except for those employees who currently choose to underreport their gratuities to Uncle Sam).
Having said that, there needs to be some established, brand-wide policies regarding this:
1) Such a system would have to be opt-in by nature, with the ability for the guest to choose whether or not and how much to tip housekeeping.
2) Clear assurances, possibly with corporate audit, that the gratuities are actually going directly to the housekeeping staff, and are not merely used to supplement the hotel's payroll expenses.
3) An explanation as to whether these tips are pooled and divided among all service staff, or all housekeeping staff, or simply to YOUR housekeeper.
4) If a multi-day stay, an explanation as to whether the tips are divided among all housekeepers who served your room, or go to the housekeeper who serviced your room at the end of your stay.
5) Clear communication about whether or not gratuities added to the folio are taxable, and whether or not they qualify for HH points.
(I want to be clear -- I'm not opposed to paying housekeeping staff well... or even tipping them well. I AM opposed to undisclosed, automatic tipping.)
Additionally, I also agree that the ability to easily add housekeeping gratuities to the folio would be a great convenience -- probably for everyone involved (except for those employees who currently choose to underreport their gratuities to Uncle Sam).
Having said that, there needs to be some established, brand-wide policies regarding this:
1) Such a system would have to be opt-in by nature, with the ability for the guest to choose whether or not and how much to tip housekeeping.
2) Clear assurances, possibly with corporate audit, that the gratuities are actually going directly to the housekeeping staff, and are not merely used to supplement the hotel's payroll expenses.
3) An explanation as to whether these tips are pooled and divided among all service staff, or all housekeeping staff, or simply to YOUR housekeeper.
4) If a multi-day stay, an explanation as to whether the tips are divided among all housekeepers who served your room, or go to the housekeeper who serviced your room at the end of your stay.
5) Clear communication about whether or not gratuities added to the folio are taxable, and whether or not they qualify for HH points.
(I want to be clear -- I'm not opposed to paying housekeeping staff well... or even tipping them well. I AM opposed to undisclosed, automatic tipping.)
#25
Join Date: Jul 2012
Programs: HH D
Posts: 1,644
Got your point, I'm only living under the delusion that Hilton cares about what our community's general opinion is. Couple of months ago I wrote down here that I didn't care that much anymore about a free breakfast, having regained a healthy weight by doing just a little more excercise and taking it easy on the breakfast. Only to find that Hilton is "temporarilly" cutting the free breakfast in the US. Maybe they'll follow up on this thread too.
#26
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Seattle WA, USA
Programs: Hilton Diamond, Marriott LT Plat, AS Lounge
Posts: 3,478
Opt-in gratuities on the folio would be fine for those who want them. On multi-night stays, though, I would prefer tipping in cash each day they clean. I can't be the only one here who has noticed that at some hotels I get extra good service after they know that I'm tipping daily. Plus I want to know that the right person gets the money.
#27
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Huntsville, AL
Programs: DL DM 1.929MM, Hilton Lifetime Diamond, IHG Platinum, Avis CHM, Marriott Titanium (lifetime gold)
Posts: 7,860
#28
Suspended
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Canada, USA, Europe
Programs: UA 1K
Posts: 31,452
Just an update on this.
The HH Ambassador reached out to me and asked me to send an email to customer care detailing my experience.
I have emailed the GM of the hotel, alerting him of my experience and expressing my concern and disappointment. I informed him that I would be unlikely to return to his hotel, and that I would copy him on my emails to the City Attorney and Hilton Customer Care. (I also told him that if he should consider paying housekeeping more if he thinks that $5 is an appropriate gratuity for a one-night stay.)
I emailed the City Attorney, indicating that while I am not certain of the legality of the practice, I wanted to alert his office to my experience.
I emailed Hilton, and attached my emails to the GM and to the City Attorney.
I have no interest in this becoming a "new normal," and so the scorched earth approach seemed appropriate.
The HH Ambassador reached out to me and asked me to send an email to customer care detailing my experience.
I have emailed the GM of the hotel, alerting him of my experience and expressing my concern and disappointment. I informed him that I would be unlikely to return to his hotel, and that I would copy him on my emails to the City Attorney and Hilton Customer Care. (I also told him that if he should consider paying housekeeping more if he thinks that $5 is an appropriate gratuity for a one-night stay.)
I emailed the City Attorney, indicating that while I am not certain of the legality of the practice, I wanted to alert his office to my experience.
I emailed Hilton, and attached my emails to the GM and to the City Attorney.
I have no interest in this becoming a "new normal," and so the scorched earth approach seemed appropriate.
#29
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: LAX/SMF/PDX/HNL
Programs: Hilton-lifetime diamond, Southwest A+, companion pass
Posts: 1,752
Your recommended tactic only worked during the nacant days of "resort fee" charges. Now, resort fees are practically non-negotiable.
#30
Original Poster
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: San Diego, CA
Programs: Southwest A-List; Alaska MVPG; Hilton Diamond; Avis PreferredPlus; Marriott Bonvoy Platinum Elite
Posts: 922
To be clear, I don’t expect him to do anything. But I’m not convinced that this wasn’t outright illegal. By emailing the City Attorney and copying the GM on my email, the GM may consider how problematic the policy is.