Caesars Diamond/Seven Star's Program Changes for 2015
#16
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In most (except Las Vegas) you don't earn Tier Credits when you are using "free play".
Besides perks like limo service between hotel and airport (just mentioning one), 7*'s have separate lines at (1)total rewards center, (2)casino cage. [I passed through Bellagio a few days ago--there are NO special "tiered" lines (for MLife players)
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Besides perks like limo service between hotel and airport (just mentioning one), 7*'s have separate lines at (1)total rewards center, (2)casino cage. [I passed through Bellagio a few days ago--there are NO special "tiered" lines (for MLife players)
#17
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IMO this is too good of a promo not to take advantage of.
With many casino programs (like Mlife) tier isn't worth anything without the play to back it up (so promos that match or accelerate your tier status are worthless).
But with CET you seem to get a lot just for being 7*. Even if your host doesn't give you anything at all on top of the guaranteed benefits (and that won't happen) it is worth a fair bit.
With many casino programs (like Mlife) tier isn't worth anything without the play to back it up (so promos that match or accelerate your tier status are worthless).
But with CET you seem to get a lot just for being 7*. Even if your host doesn't give you anything at all on top of the guaranteed benefits (and that won't happen) it is worth a fair bit.
Agreed on CET giving you a lot for just hitting the 7* level. The other quirk of CET's TR system is that they rely so heavily on ADT and supposedly reset ADT after 6-12 months of non-activity. This leads to an obvious play of maxing out the daily tier credit bonuses (and this latest bonus), thereby getting 7* with play (and ADT) compressed as much as possible. This high ADT will generate big offers 2-3 months after your play. As soon as those offers materialize, book a bunch of weekend flights to Vegas, collect the free play, but play at other chains. After 6 months of this, the offers will dry up, but if you time it right you will still have over a year of 7* status to reap the minimum guaranteed benefits from. Once your 7* status is finally running out, rinse and repeat the above steps.
As an aside, there are some other property groups that give good guaranteed benefits just for hitting the highest tier levels, although I don't think any of them are in Vegas. Mlife is not good at all in this respect.
I think it is safe to estimate that one could easily generate $10,000 just in free play as a result of hitting 7*, as long as they compress their qualifying play into as short a period as possible (thereby maximizing ADT). Of course, you then have to actually make the necessary trips to collect on that free play. But if you also place a value on the free rooms / suites, $500 annual free dinner, etc., etc., then the value prop is clearly there.
This all assumes that CET does not decide to tighten up on discretionary comps as a result of their impending bankruptcy proceedings.
#18
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In most (except Las Vegas) you don't earn Tier Credits when you are using "free play".
Besides perks like limo service between hotel and airport (just mentioning one), 7*'s have separate lines at (1)total rewards center, (2)casino cage. [I passed through Bellagio a few days ago--there are NO special "tiered" lines (for MLife players)
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Besides perks like limo service between hotel and airport (just mentioning one), 7*'s have separate lines at (1)total rewards center, (2)casino cage. [I passed through Bellagio a few days ago--there are NO special "tiered" lines (for MLife players)
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I think it is safe to estimate that one could easily generate $10,000 just in free play as a result of hitting 7*, as long as they compress their qualifying play into as short a period as possible (thereby maximizing ADT).
$450k VP coin-in over 8 days (with min $50k per day) will get you there (45k TC + 80k multiplier + 25k bonus = 150k = 7*). I have no idea what their theo is on good VP but let's assume that it's 1% (if it's different just scale accordingly). So the 8-day plan would get you an ADT of $563 and it would cost you $2074 in EV.
On the other hand you could do it by playing $950k over 3 days. That would get you 95k TC + 30k multiplier + 25k bonus = 150k = 7*. Your ADT would be $3167 but your total EV cost would be $4370.
It seems pretty clear to me that reaching 7* is worth the $2070. The question is, is raising your ADT from $563 to $3167 worth another $2300? I would guess that is probably is, but I'm not sure exactly how their offers work.
Of course, you then have to actually make the necessary trips to collect on that free play. But if you also place a value on the free rooms / suites, $500 annual free dinner, etc., etc., then the value prop is clearly there.
#20
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I've been thinking about this. The problem is that compressing it into fewer days is that you aren't taking full advantage of the tier multipliers any more (anything over 5k TC in a day is not tripled). So while you will have higher ADT, you will have to put in a lot more coin-in to get 7*.
$450k VP coin-in over 8 days (with min $50k per day) will get you there (45k TC + 80k multiplier + 25k bonus = 150k = 7*). I have no idea what their theo is on good VP but let's assume that it's 1% (if it's different just scale accordingly). So the 8-day plan would get you an ADT of $563 and it would cost you $2074 in EV.
On the other hand you could do it by playing $950k over 3 days. That would get you 95k TC + 30k multiplier + 25k bonus = 150k = 7*. Your ADT would be $3167 but your total EV cost would be $4370.
It seems pretty clear to me that reaching 7* is worth the $2070. The question is, is raising your ADT from $563 to $3167 worth another $2300? I would guess that is probably is, but I'm not sure exactly how their offers work.
$450k VP coin-in over 8 days (with min $50k per day) will get you there (45k TC + 80k multiplier + 25k bonus = 150k = 7*). I have no idea what their theo is on good VP but let's assume that it's 1% (if it's different just scale accordingly). So the 8-day plan would get you an ADT of $563 and it would cost you $2074 in EV.
On the other hand you could do it by playing $950k over 3 days. That would get you 95k TC + 30k multiplier + 25k bonus = 150k = 7*. Your ADT would be $3167 but your total EV cost would be $4370.
It seems pretty clear to me that reaching 7* is worth the $2070. The question is, is raising your ADT from $563 to $3167 worth another $2300? I would guess that is probably is, but I'm not sure exactly how their offers work.
I'm thinking of folks who don't live near a CET casino and don't want to (or can't) take a ton of days off work between now and the end of March.
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True, but in fairness, I have also only had to ever wait behind one other person when cashing in chips at Bellagio. Plus the main cashier has a good line of sight to their nightclub so you get some interesting eye candy walking by as you wait in line during certain times of the evening.
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Lots of negative 7* changes beginning 4/1/15
NO
(1)free limo between airports and hotels
(2)free check cashing, debit card cash advances
(3)annual gift selection
Side note:
When you reach 250,000 TC, you get 1 Experience Credit; each additional 250,000 gets you another EC--the 1 EC level while nicer than last year is not all that great.
If you get 2,000,000 TC (8 x 250,000), one choice is to watch the 2 minute Kentucky Derby at Churchill Downs in a VIP viewing area + a free dinner [transportation is NOT included]...personally I don't find this perk very exciting.
(1)free limo between airports and hotels
(2)free check cashing, debit card cash advances
(3)annual gift selection
Side note:
When you reach 250,000 TC, you get 1 Experience Credit; each additional 250,000 gets you another EC--the 1 EC level while nicer than last year is not all that great.
If you get 2,000,000 TC (8 x 250,000), one choice is to watch the 2 minute Kentucky Derby at Churchill Downs in a VIP viewing area + a free dinner [transportation is NOT included]...personally I don't find this perk very exciting.
#24


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"Member must earn at least 1,000 Tier Credits by March 31, 2015 to be eligible for the promotion. 50% Tier Credit Bonus will be awarded on up to the first 50,000 Tier Credits earned from January 1, 2015 through March 31, 2015, for a maximum total bonus of 25,000 Tier Credits. Daily Tier Credit Bonuses will count toward the 50,000 Tier Credits maximum. Loyalty bonuses are not earned Tier Credits and thus, are not eligible for this promotion. Tier Credit Bonuses, including this promotion, do not count toward Reward Credit balance, promotional Tier Credit earnings, or qualifying for another daily bonus. Total Tier Credit Bonus amount awarded through this promotion will be calculated after March 31st, 2015 and will be posted to the Total Rewards account on April 15, 2015. "
#25




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$450k VP coin-in over 8 days (with min $50k per day) will get you there (45k TC + 80k multiplier + 25k bonus = 150k = 7*). I have no idea what their theo is on good VP but let's assume that it's 1% (if it's different just scale accordingly). So the 8-day plan would get you an ADT of $563 and it would cost you $2074 in EV.
On the other hand you could do it by playing $950k over 3 days. That would get you 95k TC + 30k multiplier + 25k bonus = 150k = 7*. Your ADT would be $3167 but your total EV cost would be $4370.
It seems pretty clear to me that reaching 7* is worth the $2070. The question is, is raising your ADT from $563 to $3167 worth another $2300? I would guess that is probably is, but I'm not sure exactly how their offers work.
On the other hand you could do it by playing $950k over 3 days. That would get you 95k TC + 30k multiplier + 25k bonus = 150k = 7*. Your ADT would be $3167 but your total EV cost would be $4370.
It seems pretty clear to me that reaching 7* is worth the $2070. The question is, is raising your ADT from $563 to $3167 worth another $2300? I would guess that is probably is, but I'm not sure exactly how their offers work.
In the Vegas market, I believe the offers would not be that great. Unless, you put a huge value on rooms. Especially for low theo VP plays. Haven't tested this or even discussed it for quite a while. Though, CZR has traditionally been much more generous to new/dormant players. Just hard to know in advance.

