OH-LGG

Starting from 02FEB22 HEL-KIX is switched from A359 to A333.

ffay005

Should we interpret this as:
- new J seats on A333
- PE on A333
- longhaul flagship aircraft in future is A333

Let's see what will happen with TYO and PVG.

florens

My bolding.

Really? Seems odd.

ffay005

Yeah, what I meant by flagship is that they would assign A333 on their most important routes because of the new interiors. We'll see. Of course, it depends on the number of J seats, too. In normal times, I suppose TYO and PVG should be among the most important routes.

tulokas

We don’t know yet if PE will take some Y seats away or is AY just using current J cabin to fit both PE and J. In an A350 it would make sense to replace the current Y+ seats with PE. On an A333, time will tell. This of course affects the routes the ”new” planes are used.

reflektia

TBH, considering that pilot project is usually most complicated and time-consuming, it makes sense that they would do A333 first. Later conversions will be much faster.

miamiflyer8

My bet goes to OH-LTM thru LTR getting PE to replace the J mini-cabin.

EuroFlash

Confirmed so far:

(1) "We are introducing Premium Economy as a new travel class in 2022 - and an elevated long-haul travel experience with Finnair. We will tell more in January. Stay tuned and follow our channels for more information in January.​"
Source: https://www.finnair.com/se-en/freque...class--2452856

(2) "We are introducing Premium Economy as a new travel class in 2022 - and an elevated long-haul travel experience with Finnair. We will tell more in January. Stay tuned and follow our channels for more information in January.​"
Source: https://www.finnair.com/th-en/flight...try-to-country

(3) And their brand guide also shows that dark blue is going to be the ''brand color'' for Premium Economy
Source: https://brand.finnair.com/en/brand-basics/colours

Bonus:

(4) "Business travel may not recover to pre-pandemic levels as e.g. online meetings are popular and many companies are seeking cost savings. What kind of impact will this have on Finnair?

As we have already stated, Finnair is mainly a leisure-driven airline. Pre-pandemic, only c. 20% of our passengers were business-related and they generated c. 30% of our passenger revenue.

Even though it is likely that business travel will not recover as fast as leisure travel in the coming years, we believe that there is increasing demand for premium leisure travel. We are about to introduce our new travel class Premium Economy during 2022 to meet this demand. "
Source: https://www.finnair.com/en/bluewings...nd-q-a-2420328

engel001

I don‘t see this reflected in the booking timetables through the end of 2022.

OH-LGG

What booking timetable are You using?

ffay005

"Pre-pandemic, only c. 20% of our passengers were business-related and they generated c. 30% of our passenger revenue."

I find this surprisingly little. 80 % of pax travel for leisure. Take into account that many business travellers are forced to sit in Y. This partially explains why the J soft product has deteriorated so much. J is not of much importance for AY.

EuroFlash

And that’s why I feel we will see a big cut in business class seats. In other presentations it was mentioned PE “will gets its fully own cabin”. It wont just be a few rows in the front of economy

FFlash

Based on what they refer a leisure larry or a biznez bierman? I wonder.
Do they assume based on booking engine, i.e. all bookings through travel agent tools are business and the rest are leisure?

ffay005

I assume they've done some market research. It can't be as simple as "how many travel in J" or "how many book via a company TA", or at least I hope it isn't.

PE might actually do J some good. Their PE catering must be above Y, and as J is currently far too "sustainable", they'll have to improve J catering, otherwise J and PE will be virtually the same.

oliver2002

80/20 split on leisure/business is normal simply due to the ratio of seats offered. 30/70 split on revenue... could be plausible. But remember the profitability of premium cabins. The seats in the back pay for the fuel, the ones in the front pay the management bonus...