skydve1

That's a pretty cool graph. It matches what I've seen when flying USA to Asia and back.

intuition

check post69 of this thread.
Premium rumoured to be 222 or more seats after renovation.

BlueNordicSky

The top quartile staying only 75 min? I'm usually there 2-3 hours I know I'm not the only one. I'd say there is more occupancy than this after around 14, when European feeders start coming in, and people with 3+ hour layovers will just go and stay that time in the lounge.

Courmisch

Within alliance, not.

That is outside alliance.

If you fly AF code on AY metal, you get access to the CDG T2D lounge and the HEL T2 Aspire lounge based on Flying Blue status or business class (as if the AY-operated flight was an AF/KL flight). I don't know if it works for non-FB SkyTeam elites.

If you fly AY code on AF metal, you get AF lounge access at CDG T2F and, reportedly, lounges at other French airports based on AY status or business class (as if you were a Flying Blue customer).

Note that this is asymmetric.

FFlash

remymartin

I think the lounge usage before the 8am is vastly underestimated in the chart. In my experience the US wave has more space in premium lounge than there is in the morning. After 2pm it gets packed.

I also think the Y numbers is not that low compared to the high load of J.

Hartsa

Well, there are no other lounges than AF at CDG T2F so there's no choice. Maybe Aspire is cheaper for AF than AY lounge would be?

timol

I am sure you are right. Clearly, the BA morning flight was not included. Also, as all SH flights used the "10% of total capacity", AY's use of the A350 on the early LHR flight did not get its full impact. Maybe most significantly, the "Asian feeder flights" from LH to European SH (but pax preferring to use the non-Schengen lounge) did not get included at all.

This would no doubt increase the numbers, definitely including the peaks, but the overall shapes of the curve should not essentially change.

Very interesting. Right now, my upcoming travels mean I do not have time to visualize the feeder impact, but here is a tabular representation of how much each connection combination in the afternoon wave should leave time for a lounge stay. I have deducted 45 minutes from the feeder arrival time to long haul departure time, to get at the "minutes available for lounge".

GLABA

Hi
Flying AY for the first time next week transiting HEL also for the first time from Manchester to Osaka (non schengen).
I'm BA Silver - is there any avoiding the AY business lounge in the non-schengan side?
ie no change of getting into almost@home or is there any way to get Schengan side and back again?
cheers

cistavoda

I wouldn't bother. Of course you can go through passport control and back just to see the mediocre lounge on the other side.
Why not just go to the lounge, grab a drink, then just go to one of the restaurants for a snack? It sucks but that's all AY is willing to provide at the moment...

Post Scriptum

Will be flying to LHR at 4pm flight in near weeks, given that boarding begins likely 3.15ish, is there any point going to the lounge before that or is it not yet fully packed from 230-315. How about schengen lounge, is it packed as well? Would be tempted to go there and then just hope there isn't huge lines at border control.

Ed Size

Just booked my next flights to BKK, based on the connecting time. So will stay max. 1hours 20 minutes at HEL. Actually I only doing this to extend the Plat. otherwise I would not go that way (that how a program works).

ffay005

But you would be going to BKK anyway?

We idiots out here go to BKK, or DEL, only to renew Plat.

BlueNordicSky

BKK is the cheapest, easiest to access, most comfortable, with the most things to do on a long weekend trip, so of course that is the trip of choice for anyone wanting to renew Plat

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