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Old Aug 26, 2017, 4:47 pm
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Finland a socialist country, hmmm. I live in Sweden and find it more socialist than Finland.
AND, used the priority security at HEL in several occasions and have always met extremely polite and efficient staff members.
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Old Aug 26, 2017, 9:45 pm
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About socialism in Finland: Lets go back in 2012 when someone made anonymous (of course) complaint about Priority Lane at HEL.

In the complaint to the Ombudsman, criticisms of the Helsinki-Vantaa Airport's speedy security checklists were criticized, possibly against the requirement of fairness.


If some people receive a better public service, either by paying or by virtue of their loyal customer base, the arrangement can be considered to be inadequate to the administration's impartiality, says ombudsman Jääskeläinen

And Finavia had to explain that Priority lanes are not for faster security:
According to the Ombudsman's report to Finnavia Oyj, the security screening of an accelerated line does not differ from other lines and there are currently no significant differences in line waiting times.
Statement:
http://www.oikeusasiamies.fi/Resourc...d=5.htx&id=885

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Old Aug 27, 2017, 12:17 am
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Originally Posted by miamiflyer8
I guess that's true. But if it cannot be faster for elites then why do Priority Security lanes exist at HEL?
For the same reason we have priority luggage tags - to provide a perceived benefit and a sense of entitlement?

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Old Aug 27, 2017, 2:12 am
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Originally Posted by OH-LGG
About socialism in Finland: Lets go back in 2012 when someone made anonymous (of course) complaint about Priority Lane at HEL
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That was a pretty silly complaint. Wouldn't be surprised if it had been launched in sweden too (but a quick search revealed nothing).

While I think the complaint was rather silly, there are different sides to that general policy. It is mainly there to prevent corruption sneaking up on us, which is a good thing. If a building permit / daycare / road de-icing / etc could be expedited through personal contacts or cash that would be a slippery slope towards a very different society.
But where should the line be drawed? zero tolerance? If you cant find your passport the days before your dream vaccation you can pay extra to get express delivery - clearly in breach of the principle so should that be banned? So while I think the the principle is a good thing it must also be applied with reason.

Back to airports. Security is run as a monopoly and if they were to optimize for profit, they could easily remove staff from ordinary lines and thus create a faked demand for expedited services. Then just start selling priority passes and double revenue on the same number of staff.
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Old Aug 28, 2017, 4:46 am
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Originally Posted by intuition
That was a pretty silly complaint. Wouldn't be surprised if it had been launched in sweden too (but a quick search revealed nothing).

While I think the complaint was rather silly, there are different sides to that general policy. It is mainly there to prevent corruption sneaking up on us, which is a good thing. If a building permit / daycare / road de-icing / etc could be expedited through personal contacts or cash that would be a slippery slope towards a very different society.
But where should the line be drawed? zero tolerance? If you cant find your passport the days before your dream vaccation you can pay extra to get express delivery - clearly in breach of the principle so should that be banned? So while I think the the principle is a good thing it must also be applied with reason.
IIRC there were complaints also in Sweden many years back. But those were rejected on the grounds that the temporary passport service you mention had already set a precedent that priority public service for extra payment can be accepted at least in the travel sector.
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Old Aug 28, 2017, 7:42 am
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One thing they should add is one priority lane to the security nearest to the passport control (which used to be the "Las Palmas"-security because the old departure hall 4 was used only for charters).

It feels always akward to go upstairs and opposite direction whenever going to Non-Schengen. And I bet that a lot of FF/Biz travelers who aren't familiar with HEL and fly Non-Schengen, use the Schengen Lounge just because it's right in front of them as they come out of the priority security.
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Old Aug 28, 2017, 8:58 am
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Originally Posted by aama
One thing they should add is one priority lane to the security nearest to the passport control (which used to be the "Las Palmas"-security because the old departure hall 4 was used only for charters).
But IIRC, there are not that many lines there, was it 3 of them? so it might be impractical to set one aside. Unless you mean a separate queue leading to the same checkpoints (like CDG 2D for instance).

However, I don't think it would help much. Few priority passengers check-in at area 3xx to non-Schengen flights: JL, QR and SU or so.

Originally Posted by aama
It feels always akward to go upstairs and opposite direction whenever going to Non-Schengen. And I bet that a lot of FF/Biz travelers who aren't familiar with HEL and fly Non-Schengen, use the Schengen Lounge just because it's right in front of them as they come out of the priority security.
The Silver wings staff regularly bounces customers, yes. That said, I've seen Schengen non-Oneworld customers sent off to Aspire, almost as often as non-Schengen Oneworld customers. (It's especially confusing for AF elites.)
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Old Aug 28, 2017, 11:36 am
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Originally Posted by aama
One thing they should add is one priority lane to the security nearest to the passport control (which used to be the "Las Palmas"-security because the old departure hall 4 was used only for charters).

It feels always akward to go upstairs and opposite direction whenever going to Non-Schengen. And I bet that a lot of FF/Biz travelers who aren't familiar with HEL and fly Non-Schengen, use the Schengen Lounge just because it's right in front of them as they come out of the priority security.
They want as many passengers as possible to walk as far as possible and get exposed to as many commercial outlets as possible. That is the sad reality for today's airport design.

Like I said previously, they should replace busgate terminal with a separate entrance for direct access to non-schengen, with its own security and passport control. This solution would tie in P5, train-station and Hotels (Hilton and future Scandic).
That would bypass two "tax-free" mazes and drop you off at the lounge complex, literally within minutes.
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Old Aug 28, 2017, 1:45 pm
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It's funny how the long line to the old priority security gate, that zig-zagged all the way to the café or front door, has been replaced by no line at all, now that the priority security point got moved upstairs. There is never any line at all when I pass through during morning rush hour.
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Old Aug 28, 2017, 2:12 pm
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It all makes sense. They cut our time at check-in, security and later boarding, so we can spend all our business and/or frequent fliers' monies in the airport shop In theory
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Old Aug 30, 2017, 12:35 pm
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Anyone know what's going to happen if I take a +1 upstairs? We aren't on the same booking, unfortunately.
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Old Aug 30, 2017, 12:36 pm
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Originally Posted by heatsink
Anyone know what's going to happen if I take a +1 upstairs? We aren't on the same booking, unfortunately.
As a Plat and travelling on AY code you're allowed to take anyone, really.
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Old Aug 30, 2017, 1:10 pm
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Originally Posted by lkrt
As a Plat and travelling on AY code you're allowed to take anyone, really.
Yeah, but the gates are automated now. Is it going to automatically let in the person behind me or what?
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Old Aug 30, 2017, 1:14 pm
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Originally Posted by heatsink
Yeah, but the gates are automated now. Is it going to automatically let in the person behind me or what?
I've always said "(S)he's my guest" after which they've taken a look at my boarding pass and told me to go through and then manually opened the gate for the guest.
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Old Aug 30, 2017, 1:14 pm
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Originally Posted by heatsink
Yeah, but the gates are automated now. Is it going to automatically let in the person behind me or what?
There is a person guarding the automated priority security gate. You just tell him or her that you have a guest with you, just like in the lounge.
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