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Old Jan 23, 2019, 9:42 am
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Safe - Immediate turnaround is easy, i.e. according to experience it is possible to reach departure gate quickly and without extra security check when doing same plane turnaround.
Intermediate - Immediate turnaround is doable, but requires e.g. extra security check.
Risky - Immediate turnaround not recommended. (See notes.)

TO KEEP THE WIKI AS COHERENT AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE USE "SAFE", "INTERMEDIATE" OR "RISKY" APPROPRIATELY! (I.e. no "Safe" for stations that require any kind of security or transfer check, not to mention going landside, etc.)

Immediate turnaround information for European AY destinations:

ACE: ?
AGP: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.) Details here from August 2022
ALC: Intermediate, Arrivals pour from jetbridge to "funnel pathway" which takes people to baggage claim, but one can look for "Transfer" signage and take escalator up to the gate area. No checkpoints.
AMS: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
ARN: Safe / Intermediate (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate, except gate 62 arrival pours to baggage claim. ATR flights may be riskier if one ends up with a bus gate.)
ATH: Intermediate at best
AYT: ?
BCN: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
BER: ?
BGO: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BLL: ?
BMA: Safe (Transfer door is before going to the terminal exit and boarding will not start before the incoming plane is empty.)
BRU: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BUD: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CDG: ?
CFU: ?
CHQ: Risky (To landside first and security needed. Long lines possibile.)
CPH: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CTA: ?
DBV: ?
DUB: ?
DUS: ?
EDI: ? (Security check required for sure.)
FCO: Intermediate / Risky. Bus transportation can cause long walks.
FNC: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight. Mobile BP not available, obtain a BP from HEL.)
FRA: Safe (Even with the bus from stand you can make it.)
FUE: ?
GDN: Risky (Providing it is ATR by Norra, apron position, walking / bussing to the arrivals, queue security (can be very long), sprint upstairs to the gate.)
GOT: Safe / Intermediate(At least on tube arrival, after exit from the tube to the terminal area, turn around and you are at the departure gate. No info on possible bus gates though.)
GVA: ?
GZP: ?
HAJ: Safe (Arrival at departure gate)
HAM: ?
HER: ?
IBZ: ?
INN: Intermediate / Risky (To landside first and then security. No airside transit.)
IVL: Safe, arrivals pour into the gate area.
JOE: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
JSI: ?
JTR: ?
JYV: ?
KAJ: ?
KAO: ?
KEF: ?
KEM: ?
KGS: ?
KOK: ?
KRK: Intermediate (AY rarely has a jetty position so bus, arrivals then go upstairs to departures for security, there is a fast track for OW elites - not well signposted - separate B/Pass scanner to the left)
KTT: ?
KUO: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
LHR: Intermediate (Need to go via Flight Connections to reclear security, which may take time depending on the time of the day.)
LIS: ?
LIN: Safe, arrivals pour into departures.
LJU: ?
LPA: ?
LYS: ?
MAD: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
MAH: ?
MAN: Intermediate/Risky, requires reclearing security.
MHQ: ?
MSQ: ?
MUC: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
MXP: Intermediate / Risky (Arrivals come into a different floor, transfer requires walking through a transfer point and distances are quite long.)
NAP: ?
NCE: ?
OSL: Safe / Intermediate (D gates pours directly to departures. E gates also pours to departure gate, follow transit arrow, automatic gate door will open during "normal" hours. IF door doesn't open go upstairs try the transfer security. Very rare reports of stand arrival with bus to exit, but should still be doable, security is usually fast and short distances.)
OUL: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
PFO: ?
PMI: ?
PRG: Safe (From arrivals walk up to departures to departure gate.)
PVK: ?
RHO: Risky (Arrivals pour to baggage claim, security check usually has long lines before you get to the departure hall.)
RIX: Risky. After deplaning, you walk to the terminal, but boarding is done with buses. My flight was delayed, and they started boarding before the plane was even there.
RMI: ?
RVN: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
SPU: ?
SZG: ?
TAY: ?
TFS: ?
TLL: Risky (May have a remote stand arrival, when departing flight has been boarded into a bus with boarding gate already closed.)
TLV: ?
TOS: ?
UME: ?
VAA: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
VBY: ?
VCE: ?
VIE: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
VNO: Risky. (Departing pax board bus when arriving pax still deplaning. Connection corridor available but not sure how straightforward it is).
VRN: ?
WAW: Safe (Arrivals pour to departure gate.)
ZRH: Safe (When exiting the bridge, you are under the gates and there are inclined speedwalks that bring back to the gates upstairs.)

Immediate turnaround information for selected longhaul AY destinations:

DEL: Intermediate (There's plenty of time for the obligatory visit to the transit desk and security. However, you'll need a self-printed visa confirmation to show the gate agent at HEL.)
DOH: ?
DXB: Intermediate (Follow "connections" to security downstairs and after that go to transfer desk if needed.)
JFK: Intermediate (Generous time with the new schedule, but you'll need to clear US immigration so ESTA or visa is needed.)
NRT: Intermediate (OLCI and mobile BP works, no need to go landside. There's transfer security, though.)
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Old Feb 22, 2019, 1:54 pm
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Much obliged ^
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Old Feb 22, 2019, 2:59 pm
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I added DEL and JFK to the wiki. I believe default for longhaul is that it doesn't work, right? So maybe it's sensible to only mention destinations that work.

Btw, what's your opinion on NRT? Flying in, I walked by a deserted transfer security point on my way to immigration. And flying home, OLCI worked and a mobile BP was all that was needed. So I'd assume NRT is pretty safe, too, right?
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Old Feb 22, 2019, 3:14 pm
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I made NRT turnaround when A340 started with Finnair. It was time with no mobile BP and web check-in didnt work for NRT. Check-in had to do in NRT.
So I had to walk to transfer desk and:
"Good morning sir, where are you coming from and going where"
"From Helsinki and to Helsinki"
"Excuse me, I dont understand now"

And this trip was both legs in OH-LQA's Y... more than 19hrs total flight time.
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Old Feb 22, 2019, 10:41 pm
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Originally Posted by Courmisch
Why would AGP origin give more points than BUD? AFAIK, AGP is one of the worst possible continental origins mileage-wise/time-wise - alongside LIS and MAD. Due to zoning, it earns less than 1 point per km.
This is true.

I have one AY dead end to AGP in April and cant find any cost effective oneworld options back to HEL without staying in AGP.

AY is quite full (cheapest bk is L) and red eye 32B flight back to HEL, arriving 06:45 AM.
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Old Feb 22, 2019, 10:54 pm
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Malaga is quite a nice city for a short break. The Centro Historico is beautiful and has a nice pedestrian zone. Also, it's a real Andalucian city with local inhabitants, and easily accesible by train from the airport.
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Old Feb 23, 2019, 1:50 am
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Originally Posted by OH-LGG
I have one AY dead end to AGP in April and cant find any cost effective oneworld options back to HEL without staying in AGP.
Ah, the absolutely horrible idea of mass tourism looming over your shoulder, I reckon?
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Old Feb 23, 2019, 12:33 pm
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Planning MR, other AY-CX connecting city needed

Hi,
Can you guys suggest alternatives to LHR? Any AY-CX connections with good lounges? Decent food&drinks and maybe a shower.
I'm planning a CX V-fare run, but to my horror I noticed in the EF-app that CX's LHR-HKG flights on my planned days are on their 777 with new 3-4-3 config. I'm NOT going on such a run in a 17" seat. (The late reviews are horrible)
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Old Feb 28, 2019, 8:47 am
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If you had 180 000 tier points, would you do a longhaul Value MR to get the additional 20k, as AY would award you with another 40k for reaching the 200k threshold? That would basically mean 60k award points for €600.
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Old Feb 28, 2019, 8:54 am
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Originally Posted by ffay005
If you had 180 000 tier points, would you do a longhaul Value MR to get the additional 20k, as AY would award you with another 40k for reaching the 200k threshold? That would basically mean 60k award points for €600.
YMMV, personally I wouldn’t, I value 50k roughly at 500€ = long haul upgrade so this would not be worth it. Ok I don’t do any LH Y to begin with so I am not the right person to comment but as you asked..😁
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Old Mar 1, 2019, 1:01 pm
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Just did a turn around in OSL , and we did NOT exit to the departure gate.
Exit was to the floor above departures. Then transfer security while explaining you are going back to HEL for som reason.
In the end quite easy, but not as easy as explained in the wiki.
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Old Mar 1, 2019, 6:16 pm
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Originally Posted by seldomrfly
Just did a turn around in OSL , and we did NOT exit to the departure gate.
Exit was to the floor above departures. Then transfer security while explaining you are going back to HEL for som reason.
In the end quite easy, but not as easy as explained in the wiki.
Do you happen to remember to which gate you arrived? This sounds like the ”old” procedure before the new terminal extension.
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Old Mar 2, 2019, 2:47 am
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Originally Posted by esledo


Do you happen to remember to which gate you arrived? This sounds like the ”old” procedure before the new terminal extension.
Last night E14.
Was on there on thursday also, then E11. Same procedure then. Arriving pax on upper floor.
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Old Mar 2, 2019, 6:05 am
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Originally Posted by seldomrfly
Last night E14.
Was on there on thursday also, then E11. Same procedure then. Arriving pax on upper floor.
Okay, thx. Wiki updated.
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Old Mar 2, 2019, 7:49 am
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I can't really say for AY but this happens now and then for other airlines, e.g. SK. Despite what should be simple arrival you end up on upper floor. Not sure why, but as transfer security is not too far away it hasn't been a problem for me.

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Old Mar 2, 2019, 8:38 am
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Can confirm that OSL arrival is somewhat random whether you end up on upper floor or not when arriving International, but it's still usually a quick affair to get around. There is a little bit of walking to do if transfering to non-Schengen, but it's also much more calm than non-Schengen in CPH or HEL.
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