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Just noticed this note on some recent posts:
Digging around, I only see it in posts from 2019 and only in posts with links to Amex cards. So I guess Dan done got himself all hitched up with Amex. It'll be interesting to see if there's any change in coverage and recommendations going forward.
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Just noticed this note on some recent posts:
Digging around, I only see it in posts from 2019 and only in posts with links to Amex cards. So I guess Dan done got himself all hitched up with Amex. It'll be interesting to see if there's any change in coverage and recommendations going forward.
Digging around, I only see it in posts from 2019 and only in posts with links to Amex cards. So I guess Dan done got himself all hitched up with Amex. It'll be interesting to see if there's any change in coverage and recommendations going forward.
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This was really cool, Dan brought out kosher food to passengers on a TLV-EWR flight which diverted to CLE.
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-tra...iner-tel-aviv/
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https://www.dansdeals.com/points-tra...iner-tel-aviv/
Let’s keep it going, do a random act of kindness when you see the opportunity to help someone out!
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Yup. ^ Not that you did this for kudos, but way to think differently [MENTION=29224]ctownflyer[/MENTION]
This was really cool, Dan brought out kosher food to passengers on a TLV-EWR flight which diverted to CLE.
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-tra...iner-tel-aviv/
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https://www.dansdeals.com/points-tra...iner-tel-aviv/
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This was really cool, Dan brought out kosher food to passengers on a TLV-EWR flight which diverted to CLE.
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-tra...iner-tel-aviv/
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https://www.dansdeals.com/points-tra...iner-tel-aviv/
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Never imagined it would be front page news in the CLE paper, but I guess people need to a break from all the depressing news stories.
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I think you missed my overall point, but let's not re-litigate here.
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Dan is upset about AA shutting down accounts of people who reinstated their expired AA miles using retroactive car rental credits shared or bought from others:
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-tra...ify-existence/
I have to say, I'm surprised to see Dan digging in so deep on this one.
As best I can tell, he's drawing a fine distinction between forfeiting miles, and a full shutdown, without warning.
The 'warning' issue sounds like it's pivotal to Dan. How would a warning have worked here?
These seems out of character to me.
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-tra...ify-existence/
I have to say, I'm surprised to see Dan digging in so deep on this one.
As best I can tell, he's drawing a fine distinction between forfeiting miles, and a full shutdown, without warning.
The 'warning' issue sounds like it's pivotal to Dan. How would a warning have worked here?
These seems out of character to me.
terminating accounts for this without warning is egregious behavior from American Airlines
Account termination without warning is not fair.
Its another to terminate without warning. Thats inexcusable.
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One might get away with suggesting there be a time cap on how far back a program should go to boot the fraudsters. But there's not much grey area to claim they thought the practice was legit.
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1. I was angry at the completely irresponsible reporting on several major blogs that people doctored receipts in order to get miles. Perhaps that got the better of me, but I was shocked to read such poor research, claims, and assumptions about the issue.
2. I find it absurd that AA gives a warning for selling miles, which actually costs them revenue, while this was an immediate shutdown when it didn't cost AA anything.
Plenty of FTers have talked about making hotel transfers to non-matching accounts for decades. What if an airline went back and terminated everyone who ever did that? Would people not be up in arms? Would it really be worth it for the airline to do that without a warning or would that just be auditors looking to justify their existence?
2. I find it absurd that AA gives a warning for selling miles, which actually costs them revenue, while this was an immediate shutdown when it didn't cost AA anything.
Plenty of FTers have talked about making hotel transfers to non-matching accounts for decades. What if an airline went back and terminated everyone who ever did that? Would people not be up in arms? Would it really be worth it for the airline to do that without a warning or would that just be auditors looking to justify their existence?
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1. I was angry at the completely irresponsible reporting on several major blogs that people doctored receipts in order to get miles. Perhaps that got the better of me, but I was shocked to read such poor research, claims, and assumptions about the issue.
2. I find it absurd that AA gives a warning for selling miles, which actually costs them revenue, while this was an immediate shutdown when it didn't cost AA anything.
2. I find it absurd that AA gives a warning for selling miles, which actually costs them revenue, while this was an immediate shutdown when it didn't cost AA anything.
Plenty of FTers have talked about making hotel transfers to non-matching accounts for decades. What if an airline went back and terminated everyone who ever did that? Would people not be up in arms? Would it really be worth it for the airline to do that without a warning or would that just be auditors looking to justify their existence?
What I find amazing are the message boards / discussion forum there contains numerous threads (some over 100 pages long based on my thread settings) giving tips on things like 1) frequent fliers buying or being given receipts from people they don't even know in an effort to fraudulently claim the activity that was their own so as to preserve their frequent flier accounts, and 2) hidden city ticketing which people know to be contrary to the T&Cs of airplane tickets.
If you're going to play -very- fast and loose with T&Cs, ticketing rules, and program rules, please do -not- throw a fit or blow a gasket with auditors when you find that you got burned when those auditors wised up to the "game".
Blaming the auditors who are doing their jobs while ignoring fraud is an odd position to be taking.
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Repeatedly saying fraud, fraud, fraud, does not fraud make.
AA can close these accounts and not give a warning (despite this practice being used for many years without issue and no fraud or doctored receipts needed as some blogs claimed), but with each shutdown they'll have fewer people trusting that they should invest in AAdvantage.
I still think it would have been fair for AA so expire their miles and warn that if you do that again you'll be terminated. But terminating without warning is just cutting off future revenue for no reason. These weren't people brokering tickets or the like that are what these audit teams were originally set up to shut down.
From the mailers to this, there's little doubt that there's mission creep in AA corpsec. It's a path that AA may one day regret, considering that this is the most profitable segment of their business.
The real question is what's next. Surely you know that FT has hidden city ticketing threads, coupon connection, etc. Will AA shut people down for hotel transfers from different people when the hotel allowed the transfer to anyone?
AA can close these accounts and not give a warning (despite this practice being used for many years without issue and no fraud or doctored receipts needed as some blogs claimed), but with each shutdown they'll have fewer people trusting that they should invest in AAdvantage.
I still think it would have been fair for AA so expire their miles and warn that if you do that again you'll be terminated. But terminating without warning is just cutting off future revenue for no reason. These weren't people brokering tickets or the like that are what these audit teams were originally set up to shut down.
From the mailers to this, there's little doubt that there's mission creep in AA corpsec. It's a path that AA may one day regret, considering that this is the most profitable segment of their business.
The real question is what's next. Surely you know that FT has hidden city ticketing threads, coupon connection, etc. Will AA shut people down for hotel transfers from different people when the hotel allowed the transfer to anyone?
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Repeatedly saying fraud, fraud, fraud, does not fraud make.
AA can close these accounts and not give a warning (despite this practice being used for many years without issue and no fraud or doctored receipts needed as some blogs claimed), but with each shutdown they'll have fewer people trusting that they should invest in AAdvantage.
I still think it would have been fair for AA so expire their miles and warn that if you do that again you'll be terminated. But terminating without warning is just cutting off future revenue for no reason. These weren't people brokering tickets or the like that are what these audit teams were originally set up to shut down.
AA can close these accounts and not give a warning (despite this practice being used for many years without issue and no fraud or doctored receipts needed as some blogs claimed), but with each shutdown they'll have fewer people trusting that they should invest in AAdvantage.
I still think it would have been fair for AA so expire their miles and warn that if you do that again you'll be terminated. But terminating without warning is just cutting off future revenue for no reason. These weren't people brokering tickets or the like that are what these audit teams were originally set up to shut down.
And it is in AAs T&Cs to go after hidden city ticketing if they so desire to do so. That is why a lot of frequent fliers don't do it because the ramifications of doing so are pretty high.

