QL_714

You been living under a rock. Where do you think all the real deals are talked about?

ma91pmh

Well we all know that only you know all the real deals.

Oh wait so why do you get so upset when bloggers talk about the "crumbs off your table"?

Good luck with that blog you've mentioned you are starting at least a dozen times.

the hotel bar

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I'm not sure how whether you "need" the money, you're "11 plus years of contributions" or my attitude as judged by you is anything but a non-sequitur to the questions posed.

As I haven't read every post in this thread, maybe I missed where someone accused you of "needing" the money. Feel free to point me in that direction or elaborate on why it's at all relevant

the hotel bar

From anecdotal evidence, I would surmise that this "serious discussion" is only the optimal solution when censoring the discussion altogether isn't an option.

"Anecdotal evidence" being you always wanting to have this discussion on TBB or FT, but if a similar question is posed on your blog, it wouldn't make it through the filters.

$50 Marriott

ingy

There is no need to censor the discussion on any forum or blog, as long as it is civil which seems to be a bit of a problem area for some. Blog bashing and hateful comments are a legitimate reason to delete comments on FTG. Of course if you or any other had there own blog, then you could make your own decisions.

You have again made assumptions without substantiated fact. But of course coming to FTG would require you to register as we have found from experience that anonymous comments tend to be derogatory in nature as people can hide behind anonymity.

I supported George';s right to blog and would you as well if you decide to start one. I objected not to his blog, but to his supporting derogatory comments and actually enflaming the issue with "rants". It worked for George to increase readership and find a place for the blog bashers to congregate. Unfortunately, it did nothing to resolve the issues between bloggers and readers unhappy with the blogs. I know George has much more to offer and hopefully in his weekly posts, will take a more positive approach.

As several previous posters have mentioned unfortunately, their is a segment of the population that only seems to possess that one social skill of slamming, blaming and bashing, and neglects the much more effective, civil discussion of issues.

the hotel bar

Agree, I just wish you would practice what you preach

If someone is slinging personal attacks (like that Frank guy on Lucky's blog).... should be deleted

You're blog censors just about anything that disagrees or questions anything you posts. Just in the past few weeks, I've had multiple deleted comments solely for asking how you arrived at the valuation of your churning challenge "total trip costs" (i.e. how did this weeks get a value of $5300+?).

And the ones that do make it through go unreplied unless they praise you or ask CC advice


Another great thing about Gary, Lucky, FM, TBB, heck even TPG (for all his faults)..... they respond to comments even that are critical or disagreeing

ingy

It is so hard to continue this conversation with the constant lack of understanding on the part of this segment of the population. YOur comment this week was deleted based on the tone of your remarks and bashing not the questioning of the numbers. When you learn the social skill of asking questions in a civilized, instead of hostile manner, Jeremy who writes the churning challenges will gladly answer your questions and respond to your comments. Until that time, we will continue to delete comments presented in that fashion. Our blog, Our Rules. If you don't like them or are unable to ask in a civilized manner please refrain from posting comments as it seems to be a waste of our time and yours.

I won't respond to your next post, giving you the last word and allowing the rest of the group to take away from our discussion what they will. It is going nowherer fast.

DavidAL

FTG, were you responding to me? I thought my comments were civil, but to the point.

HikerT

You seem to be using the term "blogger bashers" to encompass those who speak out about affiliate link worst practices. It really doesn't make sense to put together a separate seminar to talk about that particular issue for those who are already aware of the issue. This leaves the fox guarding the hen house at the seminars, and I really doubt the bloggers organizing these events, some of which are the worst offenders, would ever hold each other accountable. That pretty much leaves the responsibility to those of us willing to speak out here and elsewhere when we see the worst practices occur.

the hotel bar

LOL

ingy

You know you have a good point and idea. Although I can't hold other bloggers accountable, I do have the opportunity in Chicago in October to talk face to face with newbies in a seminar about the issue of affiliate links and blogger practices. If you would like to work with me on the quidelines of such a presentation, I'd be glad to have the discussion.

Can you send me a PM with the issues you think should be discussed?

Rick

ingy

In fact as one of the most vocal about the issue, if you would like to write a post for the blog discussing the issue in a civilized manner, I will present it to IB for inclusion.

HikerT

Appreciate the offer. I'd be more inclined to collaborate on a seminar presentation. Will decline the guest blog post on principle - what constitutes a civil discussion can be highly subjective (see post 1360 above) and I prefer open forums.

ingy

in reference to post 1360 above, three of us individually saw the comments on the churning challenge and all agreed they were out of line and served no constructive purpose. I will make sure that if questions are asked about how we calculate the challenge in a civil manner, this next week, they will be answered. They is obviously to most, nothing to hide.

Civil discussion would not include calling out individual bloggers by name.

it would include stating the practices you think are best for the members of our community regarding the issues of:

How bloggers are compensated and a caution about the influence of said compensation on blogger recommendations
What you think are reasonable disclosure practices.
Affiliate vs non affiliate links, how to determine the better offer
Hat tipping if you are so inclined
Did I miss anything?

Kind of surprised you don't want the opportunity for the good of the community? You'll reach infinitely more people with a post rather than help developing content for a seminar presentation, but that offer is still open if you want it.

benzemalyonnais

We should edit the title of the thread to 'What is the least useful frequent flyer blog?'

That would be more enjoyable to read. We could post links to all the useless stuff that bloggers throw at us.