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Old Oct 10, 2012 | 9:45 pm
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Enough connection time?

If someone travels on CX award HKG-AMS scheduled to arrive AMS at 6.25am, is it safe to buy a ticket for onward journey to CDG on AF/KL that departs at 8 am?

Is the minimum connection time 90 min?

I understand that luggage can be interlined. But what if CX is late in arriving? It will not be on one PNR as the CX flight HKG-AMS is an award whereas AMS-CDG is a cheap revenue ticket.

Or should one fly AMS-CDG later just to be safe?

What to do?

Thank you.
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Old Oct 10, 2012 | 11:21 pm
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Unless you have freedom of movement in Europe, I will be next flight instead.

It is better to be safe.
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Old Oct 10, 2012 | 11:23 pm
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You mean EU passports?

Yes. That is not a problem.

So 95 minutes OK?

What is the minimum connection time?



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Unless you have freedom of movement in Europe, I will be next flight instead.

It is better to be safe.
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Old Oct 10, 2012 | 11:33 pm
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Originally Posted by IncyWincy
You mean EU passports?

Yes. That is not a problem.

So 95 minutes OK?

What is the minimum connection time?
Please don't count BN(O) for that purpose for the sake of this...

But if you do have a EU passport, you should have enough time, giving that your bag will be interlined (which I assume no customs until last stop).

To you, basically, no immigration waiting.

BTW - if the flight is delayed, there is nothing really you can do.
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 11:20 am
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Originally Posted by IncyWincy
If someone travels on CX award HKG-AMS scheduled to arrive AMS at 6.25am, is it safe to buy a ticket for onward journey to CDG on AF/KL that departs at 8 am?

Is the minimum connection time 90 min?

I understand that luggage can be interlined. But what if CX is late in arriving? It will not be on one PNR as the CX flight HKG-AMS is an award whereas AMS-CDG is a cheap revenue ticket.

Or should one fly AMS-CDG later just to be safe?

What to do?

Thank you.
You should be fine.

Code:
T*CT-AMS/CXAF/ID
STANDARD.D/D...D/I...I/D...I/I.  
ONLINE    .25   .50   .50   .50  
OFFLINE   .25   .50   .50   .50  
** OR * ARE ALL  
CX-** ID  1.15  GROUP3 - ALL     
CX-** ID  1.15   
**-** ID  1.00 EQP ALL - TRN  GROUP3 - ALL     
**-** ID  1.00 EQP ALL - TRN   
**-** ID   .40  GROUP3 - ALL     
USE T*GRPN FOR CITIES IN A GROUP.  WHERE N IS THE GRP NUMBER.  
T*CT-AMS/CXKL/ID
STANDARD.D/D...D/I...I/D...I/I.  
ONLINE    .25   .50   .50   .50  
OFFLINE   .25   .50   .50   .50  
** OR * ARE ALL  
CX-** ID  1.15  GROUP3 - ALL     
CX-** ID  1.15   
**-** ID  1.00 EQP ALL - TRN  GROUP3 - ALL     
**-** ID  1.00 EQP ALL - TRN   
**-** ID   .40  GROUP3 - ALL     
USE T*GRPN FOR CITIES IN A GROUP.  WHERE N IS THE GRP NUMBER.
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 11:56 am
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Thanks, Ernest. But I am not able to understand the chart (is it from Expertflyer? KVS? or somewhere else?)

What are the figures I should be looking at?




Originally Posted by ernestnywang
You should be fine.

Code:
T*CT-AMS/CXAF/ID
STANDARD.D/D...D/I...I/D...I/I.  
ONLINE    .25   .50   .50   .50  
OFFLINE   .25   .50   .50   .50  
** OR * ARE ALL  
CX-** ID  1.15  GROUP3 - ALL     
CX-** ID  1.15   
**-** ID  1.00 EQP ALL - TRN  GROUP3 - ALL     
**-** ID  1.00 EQP ALL - TRN   
**-** ID   .40  GROUP3 - ALL     
USE T*GRPN FOR CITIES IN A GROUP.  WHERE N IS THE GRP NUMBER.  
T*CT-AMS/CXKL/ID
STANDARD.D/D...D/I...I/D...I/I.  
ONLINE    .25   .50   .50   .50  
OFFLINE   .25   .50   .50   .50  
** OR * ARE ALL  
CX-** ID  1.15  GROUP3 - ALL     
CX-** ID  1.15   
**-** ID  1.00 EQP ALL - TRN  GROUP3 - ALL     
**-** ID  1.00 EQP ALL - TRN   
**-** ID   .40  GROUP3 - ALL     
USE T*GRPN FOR CITIES IN A GROUP.  WHERE N IS THE GRP NUMBER.
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 2:10 pm
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Originally Posted by IncyWincy
Thanks, Ernest. But I am not able to understand the chart (is it from Expertflyer? KVS? or somewhere else?)

What are the figures I should be looking at?
I got it from Abacus (Sabre), and don't ask me how I got access. Basically, all the MCTs shown are =< 75 min., so 95 min. would definately be ok.
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 7:25 pm
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Another question - there will be separate tickets (as it is CX awared and AF revenue), but bags inter-lined, what if CX gets seriously delayed so that there is less than the required time? What happens in these cases?

Thank you,


Originally Posted by ernestnywang
I got it from Abacus (Sabre), and don't ask me how I got access. Basically, all the MCTs shown are =< 75 min., so 95 min. would definately be ok.
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 8:59 pm
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where are you going in france? I would actually suggest against taking a plane even tho the train takes longer. Plane-train connection is better in AMS than CDG.

and you're probs better off with trains than planes re flexibility.

however, BNO is totally a European passport in the eyes of EU non-UK. you wont get a stamp on your passport.
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 9:02 pm
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Thanks, Kaka,

Going to Paris.

How do I search plane-train connections for AMS?



Originally Posted by kaka
where are you going in france? I would actually suggest against taking a plane even tho the train takes longer. Plane-train connection is better in AMS than CDG.

and you're probs better off with trains than planes re flexibility.

however, BNO is totally a European passport in the eyes of EU non-UK. you wont get a stamp on your passport.
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Old Oct 12, 2012 | 12:16 am
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Originally Posted by IncyWincy
Another question - there will be separate tickets (as it is CX awared and AF revenue), but bags inter-lined, what if CX gets seriously delayed so that there is less than the required time? What happens in these cases?

Thank you,
You are out of luck in that case...CX or AF do not have the obligation to accomondate you, although they could if they choose to.
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Old Oct 12, 2012 | 8:45 pm
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Thanks.


Originally Posted by ernestnywang
You are out of luck in that case...CX or AF do not have the obligation to accomondate you, although they could if they choose to.
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Old Oct 12, 2012 | 10:19 pm
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Originally Posted by IncyWincy
How do I search plane-train connections for AMS?
bahn.de
switch to the language of your choice
Look for Amsterdam flughaven or Schiphol as the originating station.

PS Just to confirm, if your flight is late you're out of luck. Whereas you can usually arrive in AMS and get a seat on the next train.

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Old Oct 12, 2012 | 10:28 pm
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This is not really a CX-related topic. I am moving over to the Europe forum.

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Old Oct 13, 2012 | 8:28 am
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Originally Posted by kaka
however, BNO is totally a European passport in the eyes of EU non-UK. you wont get a stamp on your passport.
In France you tend not to get a stamp in your passport regardless of whether you're EU or non-EU, at least for Australians and Americans (etc.)
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