Sadiq

It all depends on how your tolerances are mate. For starters the Y travelling passenger would in my knowledge not be aloud to get to the F Class if the Flight Attendants have their way. Secondly if it was for a brief couple of minutes it probably wouldn't bother me. Having said that don't connect your post with the Guy betstys complaint as we are talking of two very different senarios.

If he decided to sit their and make himself comfortable then yes their is warrant to complain. In all honesty speaking if I was the Y class passenger I would feel a little uncomfortable to even contemplate going to the F Class section of the plane.

my point was that most people are trying to justify their complaint based on poor staff service / disturbance. Whereas in reality, my hunch is that they are complaining because it was cabin crew who were doing this, not because they were disturbed.

I have done exactly what I said in my example before, and no-one turned an eye towards us.

Cheers

Wow,
I am glad you got away with it mate. Like I said at the end of the day tollerance is the key word and It seems to me that Fclass passengers have little of these days.

PS Love your little Quote below you Fly emirates header

Training is for the ground NOT the air!

When I fly I do 18 flights in 3-4 weeks I do not wish to be distrubed which is why I chose and accordingly pay for F!

It has nothing to do with being elitist or fussy etc. F means the best service and nothing less. On Gulf Air, for example J and Y cabin crew need the F class senior(the chef's) permission to enter it unless there is an emergency! This policy is in place for a reason - surely when u think of that policy and what occured on EK one must wonder.

The demo of a seat in flight is unwarranted surely!! I am at a loss to see how anyone could argue this point and I repeat training is for the ground not the air. Furthermore if this cabin attendant didn't know how a seat worked where does the quality of his/her knowledge lie with regard to safety ..how did they gain endorsment to be on that type on aircraft in any case while inflight???

Perhaps an EK training bod can shed some light. This incident I would expect from a 3rd rate carrier not the likes of EK.

Again... it wasn't training, and it wasn't disturbing.

Next time you fly on these suites, see how little disturbance there is from adjacent suites. You can barely even tell if someone is outside, when you have the doors shut.

If someone wants to show someone else a seat - that should be perfectly acceptable. I have shown friends travelling Y, and I have seen others do it too. The F class seat is pretty spectacular

If passengers are receiving a poorer service, then I would be concerned, but that's not the issue being discussed here.

I still can't see what the fuss is about

Cheers

I'm then at a loss to describe what it was if not training?! Also, if it wasn't disturbing why was it raised by the pax?

...................If someone wants to show someone else a seat - that should be perfectly acceptable...........................

That statement leaves alot to be desired as it wasn't "somebody" it was crew in uniform!!!! There is obviously a lack of knowledge of F class protcol in this forum. Especially from those less experienced in F/J and more used to flying in Y.

So you are saying that Y class passengers don't know the airlines protocol? or should I say your protocol? I will understand it if the orginal poster was being annoyed by this, but his statement appears to be a whinging type of complaint in the hope he can score some monetary compensation.
Please shed the light for us Y class travelling members a document issued by any Airline for that matter stating your protocol or a protocol showing us that a steward is not aloud to enter into F Class cabin to somewhat show another staff member a flamin electronic seat. Heres my little debate:

A) Was the original poster getting poked at by the steward or stewardess? to annoy him?

B) Where they upto no good on this electronic seat that should have been confined to the bedroom?

c)Where they talking out loud screaming to the top of their lungs?

d)Was he was unable to eat because they were there?

e) All the above

If you say yes to the above questions he has room to complain. At no time was the original posters personal space compromised- his statement makes him look out to be a whinger and your are a supporter of this? It also looks to appear that the original poster wanted to thrut his stuff and show that he is a F Class Passenger and he should be able to determine who shall come into the F Class cabin or not regardless if it is a Staff member or not.

If it was the pilot showing the co-pilot the seat and he had the nerve to complain I would drop him off at the next port of call .

Your personal opinion is quite valid. However, F Class protol dictates otherwise..I challenge you to repeat this story to any F class senior of a 1st rate airline or inflight trainer of premium class Cabin crew.

Fair enougth, but you fail to tell us how you became so knowledgeable on this protocol? Like I said before proper documentation of what staff are able to do and not to do has to be bought forward to support these statements you are putting forward (not Pax).


Just another little question: Sometimes I a Y class travelling inferior requests to see the cockpit from the stewards. On walking to the cockpit on some aircraft you have to travel through F Class- So you are telling me that the very sight of me can be a cause to complain? Bawaahha hahaha LMAO

(I must admit after Sept 11 things have been a little more difficult to view the cockpit but their are exceptions)

Just for some humourus reading- Their is a great book called Air Babylon by Imogen Edwards Jones the author of Hotel Babylon. Its a great read and based on reality. If you ever get a chance to read it, then buy the end of the book you will no what happens to whingers. Serously its a great read.

I would hope the many thousands of dollars I or my company has spent and current frequent flyer status with two reputable airlines gives me some knowledge on top of my MANY friends in the the industry involved in operations. That is a great idea, I personally do not have written documentation and would welcome it! However, in the interim I'm sure the feedback from 1st rate cabin crew trainers or premium trained cabin crew would be equally as valid?

Also, I have to say I'm quite horrified that even on the rare occasion you are allowed into he cockpit considering - I'm sure everyone would like to know on which airline you have done this post 9/11!?

FYI I have allowed(been asked for my permission by F class senior) if I would allow a partner or children to come up front into F cabin for landing or a while or to occupy an empty seat. I have never turned down such a request nor have any other non related F class pax in my flying history. So please relax a little and try not call yourself "inferior" or otherwise. We get what we chose to pay for that is everyones choice and perrogative. You are no less if you chose to fly Y. All I'm arguing is the episode is not protocol and I too wouldnt tollerate uniformed, on duty cabin crew testing an F class seat near me in flight for no valid reason ie trying to fix it for example for a pax.

Ok KLM provided me the nice view of the cockpit (B747-400) and Singapore Airlines B777. Have a good look on Airliners.net and you will see the amount of cockpit pictures are on their. Like I said it is getting very much harder these days to get the opportunity to take a look. Having said that you are more likely to get permission to view once everyone has disembarked the aircraft and kindly asking then than in flight. PS Singapore Airlines has become increasingly stringent. I am a Airline/Aviation enthusiast by the way.

Secondly I myself don't beleive I have this inferior complex but it appears to me that Y class travellers are looked down upon by F Class flying minority and not only that Y class working Stewardess are being served the same spoon. I actually enjoy flying no matter what the class of travel is.

You obviously have a low tolerance level-

OK, how about this one.

On a recent CAI-DXB flight, I was sat in an F aisle seat, and I had another guy sat in the window seat (on a 777-300). The guys colleague came over for a chat, and stood in front of me, in my leg space.

I was a bit p*ssed off at this, but didn't say anything. However, he then started supporting himself during a bit of turbulance by using my PTV screen (which I was watching!). At this point he got a tap on the shoulder and a polite request to bugger off.

Am I entitled to compensation? Does the break the F protocol? Who do I complain to? Should I send a letter every day if I don't get a response within 2 hours?

Cheers,
Rick

you should have extended the footrest out and tripped him over

Cheers,

you know if you see something really cool, that you want to show your friend...

FA's don't just randomly move up 2 classes (Y to F) for no reason, so they obviously weren't being trained to serve the F cabin.

That's exactly my point. My guess is that these complaints are based on the fact that it was crew doing it not because it was disturbing or unprofessional.

Cheers

What you got to ask is if its Emirates fault that the bugger decided to wander into your personal space? (Come-on waiting for the YES members to post a Yes)


HE HE HE LMAO Some F classer might send a letter every 1 minute thinking he should get a real time response.