For LY fourm - AA codeshare with LY!
Dec 9, 2007, 6:24 am
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Nope, thats why AA hasnt started service to TLV, knowing that if they did the aircraft would be seized to pay off debts that TWA owed. AA still says when it purchased TWA it did so but didnt include TLV or CAI in the deal as TWA owed alot of $$$.While the Israelis said No Dice, you bought TWA and therefore the debts of TWA as well.
I guess AA feels with DL starting up and thusly discontinuing the code-share with LY that they can step in. (DL now flys from ATL, but comes March JFK-TLV gets Restarted).
I guess AA feels with DL starting up and thusly discontinuing the code-share with LY that they can step in. (DL now flys from ATL, but comes March JFK-TLV gets Restarted).
I believe it is more an incentive by LY that needed a strong US partner with the departure of DL. AA are the natural choice as they are former partners, they have hubs in JFK, MIA and LAX and they are already partners with Matmid. AA have lost their codeshare to Israel with Swiss and LY are natural partners for them, especially when the new agreement includes also flights between Europe and Israel.
In any case, the whole saga between the employees of TWA and AA in Israel is at civil courts and there is no reason the government would block the new agreement.
Dec 9, 2007, 9:58 pm
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That exactly not LY wants into terminal 9 at JFK. I'm confused why LY has been not changed terminal at JFK. Because terminal 4 is very extremely overcrowded some entire airlines is JM, VS, AI, TG, VX, PK, SA, LX, MA and along more other airlines in terminal 4.
Dec 10, 2007, 12:07 am
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Really? I thought LY wants moveable out from terminal 4. That exactly not LY wants into terminal 9 at JFK. I'm confused why LY has been not changed terminal at JFK. Because terminal 4 is very extremely overcrowded some entire airlines is JM, VS, AI, TG, VX, PK, SA, LX, MA and along more other airlines in terminal 4.
That exactly not LY wants into terminal 9 at JFK. I'm confused why LY has been not changed terminal at JFK. Because terminal 4 is very extremely overcrowded some entire airlines is JM, VS, AI, TG, VX, PK, SA, LX, MA and along more other airlines in terminal 4.So for Security reasoning I can see where LY wouldnt want to be in any Term where they wouldnt be able to have 100% control over all the OPs as they need and want to.
Dec 11, 2007, 2:03 pm
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IIRC there is a court ruling against AA. Can I assume that your statement above only relates to the code share agreement and not to them flying their metal to TLV? Even then I would imagine that the former employees could go to court to try get an injunction against the code share stating that AA will benefit financially while not abiding by the court's ruling.
Dec 12, 2007, 12:25 am
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IIRC there is a court ruling against AA. Can I assume that your statement above only relates to the code share agreement and not to them flying their metal to TLV? Even then I would imagine that the former employees could go to court to try get an injunction against the code share stating that AA will benefit financially while not abiding by the court's ruling.
Dec 12, 2007, 5:45 am
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Nope, thats why AA hasnt started service to TLV, knowing that if they did the aircraft would be seized to pay off debts that TWA owed. AA still says when it purchased TWA it did so but didnt include TLV or CAI in the deal as TWA owed alot of $$$.While the Israelis said No Dice, you bought TWA and therefore the debts of TWA as well.
I guess AA feels with DL starting up and thusly discontinuing the code-share with LY that they can step in. (DL now flys from ATL, but comes March JFK-TLV gets Restarted).
I guess AA feels with DL starting up and thusly discontinuing the code-share with LY that they can step in. (DL now flys from ATL, but comes March JFK-TLV gets Restarted).
AA is doing much better and I think this is more of a "test the waters" idea. If it works for them, perhaps they could see the benefit of paying off TWA's debt and serving JFK-TLV on a 777. I would absolutely give that route a try and it would provide excellent connections for TLV travelers.
DL just doesn't do it for me.....
Dec 12, 2007, 10:23 am
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How much $$$ does TWA owe in TLV?
AA is doing much better and I think this is more of a "test the waters" idea. If it works for them, perhaps they could see the benefit of paying off TWA's debt and serving JFK-TLV on a 777. I would absolutely give that route a try and it would provide excellent connections for TLV travelers.
DL just doesn't do it for me.....
AA is doing much better and I think this is more of a "test the waters" idea. If it works for them, perhaps they could see the benefit of paying off TWA's debt and serving JFK-TLV on a 777. I would absolutely give that route a try and it would provide excellent connections for TLV travelers.
DL just doesn't do it for me.....
Dec 25, 2007, 3:45 pm
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I wonder if the Rabbanut would figure it out if (after the whole TWA mess gets settled, if ever) LY became a full member of OW and partnered with various OW carriers to do 2x weekly service to/from TLV -- of course, the two days would be Friday & Saturday!
Everyone would run their current daily service in competition with LY's current 5x or 6x service, and on the weekend, when there is usually lighter demand, they would pick up an extra frequency.
It would be great if AA could run a Friday early afternoon flight (say, 2pm) JFK-TLV, arriving about 7:30am Saturday morning, turning around at 10:30am to arrive JFK at 2:30pm, with full Matmid earning etc. Same thing on Sat-Sun...
Everyone would run their current daily service in competition with LY's current 5x or 6x service, and on the weekend, when there is usually lighter demand, they would pick up an extra frequency.
It would be great if AA could run a Friday early afternoon flight (say, 2pm) JFK-TLV, arriving about 7:30am Saturday morning, turning around at 10:30am to arrive JFK at 2:30pm, with full Matmid earning etc. Same thing on Sat-Sun...
Dec 26, 2007, 7:48 pm
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US $5 million from codesharing
http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/page...ubContrassID=0
According to Ha'aretz, El Al Israel Airlines should get US $5 million a year from the codesharing. Is it just me, or does this sound like very little?
According to Ha'aretz, El Al Israel Airlines should get US $5 million a year from the codesharing. Is it just me, or does this sound like very little?
Dec 30, 2007, 3:05 pm
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