2 Buisness Class for LY
 

We have discussed this in the past, but I got some fresh info.
The two new 777 will come with 2 business class. A regular and premium.
The "regular" will have seats similiar to the new seats in the 767. These seats are very comfortable, I actually think they are the most comfortable in the LY fleet today. (Even more than the First seats) I think webber is the manufacturer of these seats.
The premium business will have flat beds that will be made by SICMA (like in new IB, SA and AY).
I think the main difference will be in the pitch and the service.
I think they will have state of the sart AVOD, with big 17' screens.

Can anyone else get more info?

Seatmap? or scetches?

Don't have any further information but all I can say (and I have said it before) is that I have never heard of such a stupid idea in my life.
It was one thing talking about it, another going ahead with it.
I just cannot believe they are doing it.

Yeah, I cant believe it either. I think the 2 777 will act as a pilot to see how everything works out, I hope it FAILS!!!!


Apparently TAM has the same system on its flights to MIA and NYC.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions....main/3000421/

What's the difference between the Economy/Premium-Economy model (better seats, same service) and this LY Business/Premium-Business model?

The Premium Economy model seems to be very successful.

BIG Difference I hope.
LY is planning on offering a regualr economy class, and then the same PLatinum Clas with better seats (I hope). I hope they dont lower the seat pitch and keep it at 55' or raise it to 60' like in the 762/3ER's.

The new premium product will probably be like the busineesfirst product, proabably like the IB BusinessPlus or CO and DL. - What Platinum was suppose to be from the beginning.

That's not what I meant. Just like airlines (was BA the first to do so?) took their Economy product, left it as is and added a premium economy with better comfort and same cabin service, LY is taking its Business product and adds a Premium class with better comfort and same level of service. Airlines that added premium economy did not downgrade their economy class while doing so. There is no reason why LY will downgrade their Business class.

So, as the premium economy model seems to be successful, why would a premium business class be such a bad idea?

If I can expound on apirchik's question. What specific perks of the current first class offering are people worried are going away with the introduction of this change?

The problem is not with the First Class disappearing. I am worried that since they promised to ugrade all the seats in Platinum to Lie flat seats. Now they wont.
The lie flat seats will be in the premium business.

Its all a question of price, what is the best option for the price you are willing to pay.
This regualr business needs to be cheaper then the business on BA, CO, DL.

As I revealed this subject to the forum last year http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=556907 I still think they've completely lost the plot!

RIP ELAL

The cabin will have more seats and be more crowded, so less individual attention, unlike First.

Despite EL AL's protestations, I am convinced that the food service will be pretty much the same as the current business class offering, rather than first class.

I know of at least 3 people who will seriously consider re-routing through London on BA if EL AL follow through with this nonsense.

I think that EL AL have been paying too much attention to extremely frequent fliers, whose needs may not be the same as those who fly a little less frequently but are prepared to pay a premium for First Class. I would not even be prepared to use points to pay for the proposed 'half-way' offering, given what I have heard about it from people inside EL AL.

There is a huge difference, and you cannot compare the two.
Premium Economy is an improved Economy product catering for passengers who are willing to pay a bit (sometimes a little more then just a bit...) extra for a smaller more private cabin and better seats/leg room.
Some companies have also added it to their company tarvel policy allowing their Employees to travel in a little more comfort then Economy, while Business class isn’t allowed.

Business class is a product catering mainly the business sector, which would be people working for companies that allow them to travel Business class, and leisure travellers that can afford to pay a large premium over Economy for a totally different product the Economy/Primium Economy.

Anyone wanting even more comfort and luxury then Business will travel First, so where exactly does this Premium Business come in?
Why reinvent the wheel? Why not simply continue calling first?

What will LY charge for it? take say TLV-HKG where LY currently offer an F cabin, are they going to charge the same as F for this new product if they are using that aircraft on the route?
If they are, this is just a way of them cutting costs, by offering C class service but charging F prices.

i just don't get it, and I cannot but agree with jonnye, I really do think they have lost the plot.

I know of 9 people who have already switched from LY to BA in the last year (these are weekly and fortnightly flyers) TLV-JFK & TLV-LHR.

This ELAL board is acting like their government at the moment....CLUELESS HEADLESS CHICKENS.

What have you heard exactly?

I disagree you cannot compare Premium Business to Premium Economy. Premium business is not First just like BusinessFirst is not First. I can't believe LY will charge First prices for a Business class cabin.

Premium Business is a cabin for those who travel Business and want to upgrade their comfort - just like those in Economy. If you travel on Business, you get a comfortable seat but not lie flat one. You want lie flat - pay a little extra - not a lot extra (First fare) but a little - just like the Premium economy model.

I'm not trying to defend LY and have not flown them in ages but I truely believe this plan might be a good one.

Another thing that comes to mind
 

I have read a couple of times in the past that LY has a real problem selling F and that in many cases most of the F pax are upgraded C pax rather than paying F.

The "Premium Business" product will be a one-time investment in equipment while the operation costs should be about the same as regular business class cabin.

Again, it's not necessarily a bad idea.