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pseudoswede Jul 30, 2014 3:40 pm
Originally Posted by pseudoswede (Post 22198597)
Sadly, they can no longer call themselves the world's highest distillery. That honor now goes to Two Guns Distillery in Leadville, CO (which we visited earlier in the afternoon :p).
Breckenridge Distillery can now re-claim the title since Two Guns Distillery closed earlier this year.

TWA884 Jul 30, 2014 5:51 pm
NPR:
Why Your 'Small-Batch' Whiskey Might Taste A Lot Like The Others

Steve Ury is an attorney by day and Recent Eats blogger by night who is tracking where the good stuff comes from. He tells All Things Considered's Audie Cornish that over 50 different brands from different companies appear to be bottling whiskey from this big Indiana factory, which goes by the name of MGP — Midwest Grain Products.

Ury says that one of the tell-tale signs on the bottle is the wording. "Does it say it is 'distilled' by that company, or does it say it's 'bottled by' or 'produced by' that company? That sounds like a small difference, but it has a big legal meaning."

He also looks for the recipe because the Indiana distillery uses 95 percent rye, which is very distinct. That's a red flag that it might be from Indiana.

whackyjacky Jul 30, 2014 6:06 pm
Way to burst my bubble TWA - most of my favorite Rye's are frauds. I don't think I'll pay the premium for Whistle Pig anymore. IMO, Bulleit is still brilliant for the $$ though.

TWA884 Jul 30, 2014 6:09 pm
Originally Posted by whackyjacky (Post 23284624)
Way to burst my bubble TWA...
My sincere apologies.

luckysnap Jul 30, 2014 6:24 pm
Lots of good Bourbons
 
But for the money Makers Mark its the best

whackyjacky Jul 30, 2014 8:45 pm
Originally Posted by luckysnap (Post 23284698)
But for the money Makers Mark its the best
Nothing wrong with Maker's. It's the best Bourbon you can find everywhere. For the $$, I'd probably go with Elmer T. Lee - d*mn cheap & d*mn good.

sxytxn Sep 25, 2014 2:05 am
Woodford Reserve is one of my favorites....I heard the Bourbon Trail tour is great

thelark Sep 27, 2014 9:20 pm
Was lucky enough to get a bottle of George t stagg - phenomenal.

BLTO Sep 27, 2014 11:36 pm
For those that can find it, Van Winkle is the best bourbon money can afford you.

FlyingDoctorwu Sep 28, 2014 7:17 am
Originally Posted by thelark (Post 23591998)
Was lucky enough to get a bottle of George t stagg - phenomenal.
Stagg is one of my favs... stay away from the STagg Jr.. Not a chip off the old block...

If you like barrel strength offerrings and wheated bourbons then William Larue Weller is truly a treat...

FDW

broadwayblue Sep 30, 2014 10:55 pm
Originally Posted by BLTO (Post 23592261)
For those that can find it, Van Winkle is the best bourbon money can afford you.
If only it could be found more easily. Went to 20 stores before I found 1 bottle. Since I have no idea when/if I'll find another I drink it quite sparingly.

ShowerRing Oct 1, 2014 5:40 pm
I have enjoyed both Woodford Double Oaked and Garrison Brothers lately. Poured a Michters American Unblended Whiskey this evening that is also enjoyable.

toomanybooks Oct 1, 2014 5:47 pm
Bourbon fans should join us in LEX sometime for the Keeneland/Bourbon DO. Watch Community Buzz. We are gathering Oct. 3 and usually every 6 months thereafter.

patgarrett Oct 1, 2014 6:10 pm
Originally Posted by broadwayblue (Post 23607455)
If only it could be found more easily. Went to 20 stores before I found 1 bottle. Since I have no idea when/if I'll find another I drink it quite sparingly.
Any tips for those of us in NYC? I hear it's as rare as hen's teeth.

Investor 11 Oct 1, 2014 10:38 pm
Originally Posted by patgarrett (Post 23612423)
Any tips for those of us in NYC? I hear it's as rare as hen's teeth.

If you want a bottle start calling and more preferably become a regular customer at a liquor store nearby. The shipments should be released sometime this month, they generally branch out to the coasts by mid November. I know my friend was able to grab a bottle at a Long Island liquor store during the release 2 years ago.

Now, if you'd simply like to try it there are a ton of options for you. Stop by one of the dozens of great cocktail bars in the city. Death & Company, Employees Only, PDT, Dead Rabbit, and Attaboy just to name a few. It's hard to say what you will pay at each location for a pour, though.

patgarrett Oct 2, 2014 6:43 am
Originally Posted by Investor 11 (Post 23613443)
If you want a bottle start calling and more preferably become a regular customer at a liquor store nearby. The shipments should be released sometime this month, they generally branch out to the coasts by mid November. I know my friend was able to grab a bottle at a Long Island liquor store during the release 2 years ago.

Now, if you'd simply like to try it there are a ton of options for you. Stop by one of the dozens of great cocktail bars in the city. Death & Company, Employees Only, PDT, Dead Rabbit, and Attaboy just to name a few. It's hard to say what you will pay at each location for a pour, though.
Great - thank you.

BamaVol Oct 2, 2014 6:46 am
Originally Posted by Investor 11 (Post 23613443)
If you want a bottle start calling and more preferably become a regular customer at a liquor store nearby. The shipments should be released sometime this month, they generally branch out to the coasts by mid November. I know my friend was able to grab a bottle at a Long Island liquor store during the release 2 years ago.

Now, if you'd simply like to try it there are a ton of options for you. Stop by one of the dozens of great cocktail bars in the city. Death & Company, Employees Only, PDT, Dead Rabbit, and Attaboy just to name a few. It's hard to say what you will pay at each location for a pour, though.
I'd be curious. I believe it's $40 or $45 at the one and only bourbon bar in my town. The local liquor store caved to competitive pressure and closed. Last year they had 2 bottles, held a bourbon tasting with about 50 brands and had a drawing for both. Sadly, my number was not called.

toomanybooks Oct 2, 2014 7:47 am
Originally Posted by BLTO (Post 23592261)
For those that can find it, Van Winkle is the best bourbon money can afford you.
This stuff can bring astonishing prices. I know a liquor store manager who sold a 15-year for $800 cash. And the oldest can go over $2000.

thelark Oct 3, 2014 12:25 pm
Originally Posted by toomanybooks (Post 23614910)
This stuff can bring astonishing prices. I know a liquor store manager who sold a 15-year for $800 cash. And the oldest can go over $2000.
I'm a giant fan of the free market, but this really pisses me off. Price gouging liquor stores need to be named and boycotted. This isn't a truly free market transaction - the consumer doesn't have equal opportunity to buy the product from the source, as sales are strictly controlled in most states.

thelark Oct 3, 2014 12:26 pm
Originally Posted by Investor 11 (Post 23613443)
If you want a bottle start calling and more preferably become a regular customer at a liquor store nearby. The shipments should be released sometime this month, they generally branch out to the coasts by mid November. I know my friend was able to grab a bottle at a Long Island liquor store during the release 2 years ago.

Now, if you'd simply like to try it there are a ton of options for you. Stop by one of the dozens of great cocktail bars in the city. Death & Company, Employees Only, PDT, Dead Rabbit, and Attaboy just to name a few. It's hard to say what you will pay at each location for a pour, though.
I just returned from Austin and the going price was $60-$75 for an ounce of Pappy 23.

stimpy Oct 3, 2014 1:02 pm
Originally Posted by thelark (Post 23621918)
I just returned from Austin and the going price was $60-$75 for an ounce of Pappy 23.
As I think I have written above, you can find Pappy in a few different London and Paris bars for about 10 pounds or so a glass.

whackyjacky Oct 3, 2014 8:12 pm
Originally Posted by toomanybooks (Post 23614910)
This stuff can bring astonishing prices. I know a liquor store manager who sold a 15-year for $800 cash. And the oldest can go over $2000.
I'm out of the business now, but I could never get my hands on much in my bar, unless I bought a lot of Sazerac Group's unsellable Rain Vodka. It was an up front 'quid pro quo'. Just a few years ago the 20 was around $100 (wholesale) & rarely available. The 23 was always around & I thought it was a rip at $190. it's good, but it's not that good. It's analogous to the 'Dutch Tulip Mania'. Has Chinese demand stoked this fire ?

Investor 11 Oct 16, 2014 12:17 am
Originally Posted by BamaVol (Post 23614612)
I'd be curious. I believe it's $40 or $45 at the one and only bourbon bar in my town. The local liquor store caved to competitive pressure and closed. Last year they had 2 bottles, held a bourbon tasting with about 50 brands and had a drawing for both. Sadly, my number was not called.
Yeah, prices are all over the board. My local bar charges $13 for the 10 year and $18 for the 12 year, although they don't always have the 12. They're probably the outlier though, as they make a point of making sure that the price is something that allows the masses to enjoy it as opposed to a select few. I was in Florida earlier this year and the bar I was at was charging $65 for the 12 year.

toomanybooks Oct 16, 2014 5:00 am
I just took the Buffalo Trace tour a couple weeks ago. The guide told us that Pappy comes from barrels treated, aged, stored exactly like one of their othèr bourbons. Pappy is just selected from among them by certain tasters. So you can get pretty much the same experience for a lot less.

Originally Posted by TMOliver (Post 23211618)

"Jack Daniels Honey"? Just buy Southern Comfort to mix with your 7 UP like college girls used to prefer in my youth. Also works with a bit of lemon to assuage a sore throat.
I was at a party in high school where a guy drank a bunch of Southern Comfort and threw up on the hood of a car. It made the paint bubble. No way I am drinking that stuff.

thelark Oct 17, 2014 11:32 am
Originally Posted by toomanybooks (Post 23685639)
I just took the Buffalo Trace tour a couple weeks ago. The guide told us that Pappy comes from barrels treated, aged, stored exactly like one of their othèr bourbons. Pappy is just selected from among them by certain tasters. So you can get pretty much the same experience for a lot less.
weller 12

nkedel Oct 18, 2014 9:25 pm
Originally Posted by toomanybooks (Post 23685639)
I was at a party in high school where a guy drank a bunch of Southern Comfort and threw up on the hood of a car. It made the paint bubble. No way I am drinking that stuff.
I'm pretty sure that's the puke, and not the booze.

CMK10 Oct 18, 2014 9:27 pm
Originally Posted by toomanybooks (Post 23685639)
I was at a party in high school where a guy drank a bunch of Southern Comfort and threw up on the hood of a car. It made the paint bubble. No way I am drinking that stuff.
Sounds like me. My first experience drinking was with Wild Turkey and Pepsi. It didn't stay down...I haven't been able to touch it since.

whackyjacky Oct 19, 2014 1:51 am
I've always considered anybody over high school age that drinks SoCo as a person not worth knowing.

CMK10 Oct 19, 2014 8:33 am
Originally Posted by whackyjacky (Post 23699484)
I've always considered anybody over high school age that drinks SoCo as a person not worth knowing.
I make exceptions for college freshman but on the whole, I agree

toomanybooks Oct 20, 2014 10:12 am
Originally Posted by CMK10 (Post 23699004)
Sounds like me. My first experience drinking was with Wild Turkey and Pepsi. It didn't stay down...I haven't been able to touch it since.
I have a friend who got wildly drunk from consuming a bottle of cherry brandy in high school and threw up. 40 years later, whenever he smells cherries, cherry cough syrup, cherry beer, cough drops, anything, he gets nauseous. The human brain is an amazing thing.

Showbizguru Oct 20, 2014 10:29 am
Originally Posted by toomanybooks (Post 23705553)
I have a friend who got wildly drunk from consuming a bottle of cherry brandy in high school and threw up. 40 years later, whenever he smells cherries, cherry cough syrup, cherry beer, cough drops, anything, he gets nauseous. The human brain is an amazing thing.
After a weekend in France drinking 8% Trappist beer with Pastis chasers I know how he feels.
It's not a combination I'd recommend to anyone but when you're on a rugby outing choice doesn't always come in to what you're consuming.

thelark Oct 22, 2014 11:52 am
PA released BTAC only via a twitter link. unreal.

seapigg Oct 22, 2014 12:52 pm
Per dollar I am going to have to throw my weight behind Jefferson Presidential Select. It's basically Pappy, at 1/3 the price. Not made anymore, but I bought 2 bottles back in the day and have been hoarding it. For my money I don't know of anything better. If somehow you stumble across a bottle anywhere... DRINK IT

BamaVol Oct 22, 2014 2:44 pm
Originally Posted by seapigg (Post 23717778)
Per dollar I am going to have to throw my weight behind Jefferson Presidential Select. It's basically Pappy, at 1/3 the price. Not made anymore, but I bought 2 bottles back in the day and have been hoarding it. For my money I don't know of anything better. If somehow you stumble across a bottle anywhere... DRINK IT
A quick google reveals that it can be had, albeit at a steep price. Someone in the UK could get a bottle for $177 that we might be paying $1,000+ for stateside. The problem seems to arise from the closure of the distillery where it was produced. I remember seeing it on shelves. Had I known, I'd have bought a couple bottles to hoard myself.

FlyingDoctorwu Oct 23, 2014 4:52 am
Originally Posted by thelark (Post 23692901)
weller 12
Ahhh someone who knows his mashbills. Sadly weller 12 is also fairly tough to get in some places. I haven't seen a bottle in MD in years. The weller 12/OWA 107 mixture is considered by many to be "poor mans pappy". I'm dying to try parkers wheated whiskey this year. That's been the one that I've most looked forward to this year. I'm a huge fan of most wheated products, with the barrel roof William larue weller being my absolute fav.

Fdw

EuropeanPete Oct 23, 2014 5:49 am
Originally Posted by toomanybooks (Post 23685639)
I just took the Buffalo Trace tour a couple weeks ago. The guide told us that Pappy comes from barrels treated, aged, stored exactly like one of their othèr bourbons. Pappy is just selected from among them by certain tasters. So you can get pretty much the same experience for a lot less.
We had the master blender of Buffalo Trace in London a couple of weeks ago and I had a steak dinner and bourbon/ rye tasting with him. The company really does some pretty amazing drinks - from the Sazerac range through the surprisingly tasty Buffalo Trace through to some pretty obscure limited production drinks like Eagle Rare 17, Larue Weller and George T Staff.

FlyingDoctorwu Oct 24, 2014 11:09 pm
Originally Posted by EuropeanPete (Post 23721419)
We had the master blender of Buffalo Trace in London a couple of weeks ago and I had a steak dinner and bourbon/ rye tasting with him. The company really does some pretty amazing drinks - from the Sazerac range through the surprisingly tasty Buffalo Trace through to some pretty obscure limited production drinks like Eagle Rare 17, Larue Weller and George T Staff.
What a great experience! At least in the usa, eagle rare 17 george t stagg and William larue weller are no longer obscure. Just 5 years ago the eagle rare 17 used to sit on the shelves and not get bought. Not this year. My liquor stores allotment never even reached the shelves. Their list for those bottles has greatly exceeded their allocation.

Fdw

thelark Oct 28, 2014 1:53 pm
yup - same with pappy. I was lucky to find a bottle of Stagg in Timonium.

By find I mean getting added to the waiting list the day before they received their shipment. No bottles were put on the shelves.

FlyingDoctorwu Oct 28, 2014 11:08 pm
Originally Posted by thelark (Post 23751642)
yup - same with pappy. I was lucky to find a bottle of Stagg in Timonium.

By find I mean getting added to the waiting list the day before they received their shipment. No bottles were put on the shelves.
Fairgrounds? They usually have excellent barrel picks. I didn't realize you were local.

Buffalo trace antiques and pappy almost never hit the shelves anymore it seems..,,

Fdw

thelark Oct 30, 2014 8:46 am
Yeah, at Fairgrounds. I don't think any stores in the area are putting BTAC or Pappy on their shelves. I had Amex concierge call around and put me on a bunch of waiting lists, but no luck yet (Pappy is rolling out in MD). Keeping a close eye on PA after they released BTAC via a twitter link.


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