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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 12:46 pm
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Originally Posted by Taiwaned
Agree completely.

Always wondered why Kobe beef in North America tasted different then in Japan. I prefer the actual Kobe because it is richer in taste. I initially thought it was the water or feed but now I just feel ripped off.
Wagyu is a type of cattle (unique breed with a distinct genetic identity). Kobe is a city in japan that used these cattle (ironically as work animals and not for meat, until less than a century ago). All beef sold in US as "kobe" or "wagyu" is descended from one of 10 bulls that were imported into the US about 20 years ago. These 10 bulls were initially bred with Angus cows; some Wagyu cows have since been imported into US for breeding. So the 1st generation was 1/2 Wagyu, 1/2 Angus. Subsequent generations increased the Wagyu percentage. Different breeders have a different genetic base (depends upon which bulls they had access to and how they bred subsequently). Thus there is quite a bit of variation in meat characteristics between different ranches in the US. The best ranches are better than the Japanese original; the worst ranches are worse. So you just have to shop around until you find the right source of meat. For the next couple of decades there will be enough genetic variation between different herds that there is no consistency in US Wagyu meat quality. However 97% of the Wagyu beef in the US qualifies as Prime (the highest USDA rating), vs. about 2% of Angus beef. I too noticed the big variations in quality and was interested enough to investigate; glad I did, now I can eat great beef at 1/5 of the japanese price.
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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 4:12 pm
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Kobe beef is beef made from cows that are fed a diet enriched with beer and massaged lovingly by attendants in Kobe, Hyogo, Japan. Japanese Kobe Beef is well marbled and very tender. The attention and time given to the cows is said to produce the best beef and gives Kobe beef a high cost.
There are mainly four breeds in wa-gyu (wa means Japanese and gyu means cattle): Japanese Black, Japanese Brown, Japanese Polled, and Japanese Shorthorn. Japanese Kobe Beef is from Tajima-ushi, which is one of Japanese Black. Tajima-ushi are fed on natural feed such as barley, wheat bran, and grass, and good water in Tajima region. Among Tajima-ushi, beef which meet special criteria become Kobe Beef. The beef must be ranked in Grade A or B with fat BMS number 6 and over by Japanese Association of Meat Ranking. It's said that only 3000-4000 Kobe Beef are available per year in Japan.
http://www.calsky.com/lexikon/en/txt/k/ko/kobe_beef.php

Wagyu > Tajima > Tajima-ushi > quality criterion to become "Kobe"

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Old Nov 11, 2006 | 3:02 pm
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Originally Posted by obscure2k
Vicente Foods in Southern California (zip 90049) sells the real deal: Wagyu Beef @ $160.00 per pound. They even do occasional tastings. This is the same beef which is featured at Cut, the Wolfgang Puck steakhouse in Beverly Hills (they charge $160 for 8 oz's). I have spoken to the reps from the Waygu Steaks and they say that this beef is only sold in SoCal at Vicente Foods and served at Cut and Melisse. I specifically asked about Japanese beef sold on Sawtelle Blvd in Japanese markets and was told that the beef sold as "Kobe" or Wagyu" was, in fact, Japanese-American hybrid beef.
I had the true Japanese Wagyu NY Strip at Cut last weekend and it was amazing! I also tasted the Amercian version and it was quite tasty as well.

Yummmm! ^
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Old Nov 11, 2006 | 4:30 pm
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Originally Posted by meducate
I had the true Japanese Wagyu NY Strip at Cut last weekend and it was amazing! I also tasted the Amercian version and it was quite tasty as well.

Yummmm! ^
That is exactly the same beef available at Vicente Foods (San Vicente and Bundy in Brentwood). They will hand cut it to your specifications and have various cuts of beef available, including ground chuck (which I think is under $100.00 a pound )
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 6:28 pm
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"This is A-5 Kobe beef..."

I was in a restaurant on South Padre Island, TX last week and one of the specials was some sort of platter which contained Kobe beef. The platter also had assorted shellfish and was about $100.

I asked the waiter what grade it was, he checked with the kitchen and reported back a few minutes later that it was A-5. Now, I've had Wagyu in Japan and my understanding is the A-5 is pretty rare. Is it even possible to get A-5 in the States, and any thoughts on whether the chef/waiter was just full of himself and it was actually a lower grade?

I didn't order it (which was probably for the better) and had an otherwise mediocre meal.
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 7:40 pm
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for years true Kobe beef was not allowed to be imported. Last year in Palm Springs at the La Quinta resort, there was a kobe beef appetizer, I inquired (as I always do) if it was waygu, the waiter was very proud to state that it was real kobe, even brought out a certificate explaining that it was true kobe. The food & bev director as well as the chef came out to see how we liked it^

Long way of saying that yes Kobe is allowed to be imported now, I couldn't answer the grade question.
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 9:35 pm
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A5 is a japanese wagyu rating correct?

while kobe/mishima/etc are from that specific region.

good places will have "A5"/etc on the menu. not sure about kobe/mishima/etc though. could ask about what Sweet Willie mentioned. >

Originally Posted by Sweet Willie
even brought out a certificate explaining that it was true kobe. The food & bev director as well as the chef came out to see how we liked it^
^ what kind of appetizer/pricing?

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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 11:02 pm
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This place in Tucson claims to use Kobe beef but when I asked if it were true Kobe, I was told its Imported Kobe Cattle raised in Washington St.
http://www.foxrc.com/zinburger.html
not quite what I expected
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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 3:23 pm
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I've had A5 kobe beef at Urasawa and Cut down here in LA. The one at Urasawa was better but IMO the beef is basically just way too rich and buttery. It's like eating foie gras...it melts in your mouth and is wonderful but because of sensory overload you can only take a small amount.

I can't imagine eating like a 16 oz steak of kobe beef...so the small 4oz or 6 oz portions are fine for the table.
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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 3:54 pm
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Wolfgang Puck's Cut in Vegas has the real deal. 10 ounces of rib eye and as someone indicated previously, after about half it was getting to be too much. But that didn't stop me from finishing it .
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Old Mar 20, 2009 | 1:34 am
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Originally Posted by kingalien
Wolfgang Puck's Cut in Vegas has the real deal. 10 ounces of rib eye and as someone indicated previously, after about half it was getting to be too much. But that didn't stop me from finishing it .
How much did that steak set you back mate ?
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Old Mar 20, 2009 | 2:42 am
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Wolfgang Puck's Cut in Vegas has the real deal. 10 ounces of rib eye and as someone indicated previously, after about half it was getting to be too much. But that didn't stop me from finishing it
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Old Mar 22, 2009 | 12:18 am
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Originally Posted by Peterpack
How much did that steak set you back mate ?
Menu price was $200. For me, free .
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Old Mar 22, 2009 | 8:16 am
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Originally Posted by fs2k2isfun
I was in a restaurant on South Padre Island, TX last week and one of the specials was some sort of platter which contained Kobe beef. The platter also had assorted shellfish and was about $100.

I asked the waiter what grade it was, he checked with the kitchen and reported back a few minutes later that it was A-5. Now, I've had Wagyu in Japan and my understanding is the A-5 is pretty rare. Is it even possible to get A-5 in the States, and any thoughts on whether the chef/waiter was just full of himself and it was actually a lower grade?

I didn't order it (which was probably for the better) and had an otherwise mediocre meal.
As an occasional visitor to S. Padre, that would have been my reaction. I can't recall anything memorable (except bad memories and flatulence) from most of the restaurants there, and would tend to stick to simple, visually verifiable fresh seafood, barbecue and TexMex.

The place ain't perzactly chic.
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Old Mar 24, 2009 | 9:55 am
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Originally Posted by Lufthomie
This place in Tucson claims to use Kobe beef but when I asked if it were true Kobe, I was told its Imported Kobe Cattle raised in Washington St.
I'm pretty sure that is typically the case in the U.S. It's not just the breed of cattle, but the way they are cared for that contributes to the flavor of the beef. I just don't think anyone in the States has the patience to raise wagyu beef like the Japanese can, though some good attempts are made.
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