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Bakpapier Sep 9, 2016 5:39 pm


Originally Posted by kipper (Post 27176942)
Subway is usually consistent, and at least around me, inexpensive compared to most restaurants where I'd get a sub. The alternative that is at a lower price is a prepackaged, non-customizable sub.

You don't have bakeries with fresh bread that serve sandwiches with fresh ingredients during lunch time?!?

I mean it's not like we're talking haute cuisine here. Any place that sells bread can also put some fresh ingredients on said bread and sell a perfectly fine sandwich. And at the price level you'd pay at subway, you would have a very good sandwich for that.

What a poverty if you live in an area that doesn't even provide such basic service... :(

It's not that I find subway subs absolutely vile or anything. They are perfectly edible. However I just don't consider it actual bread or actual food, I consider it fast food. And if I want fast food there are many cheaper options.

A smaller whole-grain bun with some lettuce and maybe some goat cheese or something or maybe ham or whatever will fill me up more than an entire subway sub. The subway sub is to me like any fast food: it's like air or something. Hard to explain. It's not substantial enough to be actual food.

kipper Sep 9, 2016 9:49 pm


Originally Posted by Bakpapier (Post 27189991)
You don't have bakeries with fresh bread that serve sandwiches with fresh ingredients during lunch time?!?

I mean it's not like we're talking haute cuisine here. Any place that sells bread can also put some fresh ingredients on said bread and sell a perfectly fine sandwich. And at the price level you'd pay at subway, you would have a very good sandwich for that.

What a poverty if you live in an area that doesn't even provide such basic service... :(

Near where I work, there is an Italian restaurant that does decent subs, but they charge $6 for a 6-inch sub. There are no bakeries within walking distance. I think part of the issue is that here, many bakeries are bakeries only. They do breads, cakes, pies, etc. They do not dabble in lunch-type foods. If you want lunch-type foods, you need to go to a deli, and those usually do not bake their own bread.

Bakpapier Sep 10, 2016 5:32 am


Originally Posted by kipper (Post 27190623)
Near where I work, there is an Italian restaurant that does decent subs, but they charge $6 for a 6-inch sub. There are no bakeries within walking distance. I think part of the issue is that here, many bakeries are bakeries only. They do breads, cakes, pies, etc. They do not dabble in lunch-type foods. If you want lunch-type foods, you need to go to a deli, and those usually do not bake their own bread.

But even a deli will make better, more authentic/wholesome/less processed subs than subway. The bread doesn't need to be actually baked on-the-spot as long as it is good quality wholesome bread and not the airy stuff subway uses.

6 dollars for 6 inch sounds a bit expensive to me. That would run you maybe 4 euros here, at the worst, for such a size of sandwich. In any case though, a footlong subway also csosts 6 dollars, but the smaller size wholesome actual bread sub will be at least as filling if not more filling than the larger subway sub.

So even at that price point it's not that bad, though I agree with you that 6 dollars is absolutely pushing it for that size of sandwich.

edit: oh, 6 dollars is only 5,34 euros. While I still think it's epensive, it's not extraordinarily unpayably expensive imo.

CDTraveler Sep 10, 2016 6:23 am


Originally Posted by Bakpapier (Post 27189991)
You don't have bakeries with fresh bread that serve sandwiches with fresh ingredients during lunch time?!?

I mean it's not like we're talking haute cuisine here. Any place that sells bread can also put some fresh ingredients on said bread and sell a perfectly fine sandwich. And at the price level you'd pay at subway, you would have a very good sandwich for that.

What a poverty if you live in an area that doesn't even provide such basic service... :(

Different countries, different laws. Depending where it is in the U.S. a small business might have to be licensed as both a restaurant and a bakery to serve food on the premises. There are also different tax rules for a place that sells food to be eaten on the premises (restaurant) and that sells food to go (bakery).

There can also be issues with storage and refrigeration. For example, a bakery might not have the amount of refrigeration space needed to store meat at the correct temperature.

kipper Sep 11, 2016 7:32 am


Originally Posted by Bakpapier (Post 27191452)
But even a deli will make better, more authentic/wholesome/less processed subs than subway. The bread doesn't need to be actually baked on-the-spot as long as it is good quality wholesome bread and not the airy stuff subway uses.

6 dollars for 6 inch sounds a bit expensive to me. That would run you maybe 4 euros here, at the worst, for such a size of sandwich. In any case though, a footlong subway also csosts 6 dollars, but the smaller size wholesome actual bread sub will be at least as filling if not more filling than the larger subway sub.

So even at that price point it's not that bad, though I agree with you that 6 dollars is absolutely pushing it for that size of sandwich.

edit: oh, 6 dollars is only 5,34 euros. While I still think it's epensive, it's not extraordinarily unpayably expensive imo.

Having tried the 6-inch sub, no, it really was not more filling.

Originally Posted by CDTraveler (Post 27191541)
Different countries, different laws. Depending where it is in the U.S. a small business might have to be licensed as both a restaurant and a bakery to serve food on the premises. There are also different tax rules for a place that sells food to be eaten on the premises (restaurant) and that sells food to go (bakery).

There can also be issues with storage and refrigeration. For example, a bakery might not have the amount of refrigeration space needed to store meat at the correct temperature.

This is all true as well.

WorldLux Sep 11, 2016 9:09 am

Ever had a good sub at Subway?

No. I've been dragged to a Subway by a friend, who loves the stuff. Unfortunately I don't. I ended up paying 7-9€ and was highly disappointed.

Layell Sep 16, 2016 7:34 pm

I quite enjoy a Subway meatball on flatbread loaded with jalapeños and banana peppers

cblaisd Sep 17, 2016 9:33 pm

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skchin Sep 17, 2016 11:55 pm

Meat balls with chicken breast. It's good.

kipper Sep 18, 2016 8:50 am


Originally Posted by skchin (Post 27227447)
Meat balls with chicken breast. It's good.

Interesting combination.

cslewis Sep 19, 2016 4:54 pm

I have enjoyed the subs at Subway. They usually do a good job of creating the sub. I like their tuna subs.

miamiflyer8 Sep 20, 2016 12:26 am


Originally Posted by cslewis (Post 27235110)
I have enjoyed the subs at Subway. They usually do a good job of creating the sub. I like their tuna subs.

Me too. Tuna is one of favorites.

bensyd Sep 20, 2016 2:33 am

Consistency is about the only positive attribute that I can apply to Subway. The bread is disgusting, and the only thing sweeter than the bread is that sauce the meatballs (how much meat is actually in them??) sit in.


Originally Posted by bensyd (Post 27236668)
Consistency is about the only positive attribute that I can apply to Subway. The bread is disgusting, and the only thing sweeter than the bread is that sauce the meatballs (how much meat is actually in them??) sit in.

I answered my own question. The meatballs are 65% beef. The "ham" is minimum 68% pork, the "turkey" is minimum 66% turkey.

Clint Bint Sep 20, 2016 2:59 am


Originally Posted by bensyd (Post 27236668)
Consistency is about the only positive attribute that I can apply to Subway. The bread is disgusting, and the only thing sweeter than the bread is that sauce the meatballs (how much meat is actually in them??) sit in.

I agree.
I've only ever had one Sub.Well,I lie - I've only ever had a third of a Sub as the rest went in the bin.
The bread was like chewing on the flaked-off skin from someone with really bad eczema and the cheese was so processed I thought I was eating the packaging it came in.
A truly disgusting sandwich.

bensyd Sep 20, 2016 3:12 am


Originally Posted by Clint Bint (Post 27236715)
I agree.
I've only ever had one Sub.Well,I lie - I've only ever had a third of a Sub as the rest went in the bin.
The bread was like chewing on the flaked-off skin from someone with really bad eczema and the cheese was so processed I thought I was eating the packaging it came in.
A truly disgusting sandwich.

Amazingly, Subway has managed to market itself as a healthy alternative. I'd rather a Quarter Pounder. It tastes better and is just as healthy.

I'll take you word on what eczema afflicted skin tastes like. ;)

365RoadWarrior Sep 20, 2016 8:45 am


Originally Posted by kipper (Post 27190623)
Near where I work, there is an Italian restaurant that does decent subs, but they charge $6 for a 6-inch sub. There are no bakeries within walking distance. I think part of the issue is that here, many bakeries are bakeries only. They do breads, cakes, pies, etc. They do not dabble in lunch-type foods. If you want lunch-type foods, you need to go to a deli, and those usually do not bake their own bread.

Just a footnote: Subway Nine Grain bread is "certified" whole grain. Most of the sandwich joints in the areas where I work don't offer whole grain. It's "wheat" bread, or some such, often the same stuff they use for cookies, cakes, pies... I just wish is was suitable for strict vegetarians, but that's just me.

kipper Sep 20, 2016 4:27 pm


Originally Posted by 365RoadWarrior (Post 27237748)
Just a footnote: Subway Nine Grain bread is "certified" whole grain. Most of the sandwich joints in the areas where I work don't offer whole grain. It's "wheat" bread, or some such, often the same stuff they use for cookies, cakes, pies... I just wish is was suitable for strict vegetarians, but that's just me.

Interesting.

bensyd Aug 13, 2019 10:14 pm

I just had a Subway sandwich. First one in many years. Still as awful as ever, even with the brand "refresh". I see it's having real trouble, which isn't surprising. Until they learn the basis of a good sandwich is quality bread they will struggle.

kipper Aug 14, 2019 5:20 am


Originally Posted by bensyd (Post 31413891)
I just had a Subway sandwich. First one in many years. Still as awful as ever, even with the brand "refresh". I see it's having real trouble, which isn't surprising. Until they learn the basis of a good sandwich is quality bread they will struggle.

When I walk by one and am hungry, it smells so good, but I've learned that it will never taste that good.

BamaVol Aug 14, 2019 7:00 am


Originally Posted by bensyd (Post 31413891)
I just had a Subway sandwich. First one in many years. Still as awful as ever, even with the brand "refresh". I see it's having real trouble, which isn't surprising. Until they learn the basis of a good sandwich is quality bread they will struggle.

I haven't been in one for years. And I'm sure the last thing I ordered was tuna which is meh at best there. But, I was let down at Panera yesterday. First time ordering tuna there. It was soggy and bland. The bread was awesome. But the filling was more mayonnaise than anything else (which seems to consist of only tuna). I want onions and celery and pickles and I want to taste the tomato. The older I get, the more I disapprove of sandwiches someone else has made.

enviroian Aug 14, 2019 8:51 am

Subway's problem is their bread--it's horrible. Their competitors have much better bread (Jimmy Johns in particular).

BamaVol Aug 15, 2019 11:31 am


Originally Posted by enviroian (Post 31415276)
Subway's problem is their bread--it's horrible. Their competitors have much better bread (Jimmy Johns in particular).

It's stale on top of being too full of air. Whatever their rule for throwing out rolls, they need to subtract about 6 hours from it. I think Subway's problem is their growth. There are almost 45,000 stores. Surely that has cut down on sales per store and leaves franchisees looking for opportunities to cut cost. I'll still order from Jimmy Johns, Jersey Mike's, Firehouse, Jason's, Panera and any number of small independents. Subway? I'll probably never buy anything from them again.

enviroian Aug 16, 2019 8:29 am


Originally Posted by BamaVol (Post 31419734)
It's stale on top of being too full of air

You're right--the top is stale. They are baking it too long? You'd think by seeing fresh loaves come out of that oven they would be good but they're crap.

work2fly Aug 16, 2019 10:32 am

Locally, we can get sourdough bread at Subway that for me, is the only decent bread they have. The BMT on sourdough is pretty good but pales in comparison to anything similar at Jersey Mike's.

We used to have a different $6 footlong depending on the day of the week, and these included a BMT day (and a tuna day that wasn't half bad either). Now, just three subs are $6 every day of the week - cold cut, meatball and something else I can't remember. Ugh...

dddc Aug 17, 2019 3:47 pm

I reached my breaking point with Subway a couple of years ago. Went in to an empty store. Girl behind the counter was so unresponsive, as if I'd interrupted her mobile phone time. Started building my sub with just a scattering of salad items. I asked for some more tomatoes. She put one on. I asked for more corn, olives and gherkins. She sprinkled a few more on. I told her at the start I didn't want it toasted but she took it to the grill until I stopped her.

Came time to pay and I whipped out my AMEX card. We don't take AMEX she said, the first bit of reaction I'd had from her. Oh, sorry, I don't have any other cards with me. Let me go to ATM and get some cash........ Of course I never went back in!!

Years ago there was a store beneath where I worked at the time and I can't remember if it was web ordering or via screen in store and you could request extra veges for no extra cost. I pimped my sub with everything going and it was plump. No hesitations back then. The miserly portions being handed out on my last few visits made me never to go in again. Nearly did 2 weeks ago when I walked past one as smelt the baking bread, but kept walking and bought off a local stall in a market instead. Cheaper and tastier!!

kipper Aug 17, 2019 5:23 pm


Originally Posted by dddc (Post 31427526)
I reached my breaking point with Subway a couple of years ago. Went in to an empty store. Girl behind the counter was so unresponsive, as if I'd interrupted her mobile phone time. Started building my sub with just a scattering of salad items. I asked for some more tomatoes. She put one on. I asked for more corn, olives and gherkins. She sprinkled a few more on. I told her at the start I didn't want it toasted but she took it to the grill until I stopped her.

Came time to pay and I whipped out my AMEX card. We don't take AMEX she said, the first bit of reaction I'd had from her. Oh, sorry, I don't have any other cards with me. Let me go to ATM and get some cash........ Of course I never went back in!!

Years ago there was a store beneath where I worked at the time and I can't remember if it was web ordering or via screen in store and you could request extra veges for no extra cost. I pimped my sub with everything going and it was plump. No hesitations back then. The miserly portions being handed out on my last few visits made me never to go in again. Nearly did 2 weeks ago when I walked past one as smelt the baking bread, but kept walking and bought off a local stall in a market instead. Cheaper and tastier!!

Subway had corn as a topping?

exerda Aug 17, 2019 6:53 pm

I know the OP was from ages ago, but my answer is still: No!

bensyd Aug 18, 2019 1:42 am


Originally Posted by enviroian (Post 31422807)
You're right--the top is stale. They are baking it too long? You'd think by seeing fresh loaves come out of that oven they would be good but they're crap.

But those loaves are delivered as frozen bread dough. There's nothing really fresh about the whole operation. I've got so many good bread options around me – places that literally use flour, water, salt and yeast – that Subway bread just looks and tastes like some awful Frankenbread. How hard can it seriously be to make fresh simple bread? And then we can get on to the "meatballs" that are 65% meat. :D

dddc Aug 18, 2019 2:45 am


Originally Posted by kipper (Post 31427706)
Subway had corn as a topping?

They do in the UK.

There's an ad campaign on at the moment say how they have 21 new and improved ingredients. Maybe they should have used better wording than this to describe the "improved" ingredients....


*Enhanced menu item from old Subway ingredients
:D:D:D:D

kipper Aug 18, 2019 5:41 am


Originally Posted by bensyd (Post 31428443)
But those loaves are delivered as frozen bread dough. There's nothing really fresh about the whole operation. I've got so many good bread options around me – places that literally use flour, water, salt and yeast – that Subway bread just looks and tastes like some awful Frankenbread. How hard can it seriously be to make fresh simple bread? And then we can get on to the "meatballs" that are 65% meat. :D

Have you met some of the employees there? Do you think they can make fresh bread that isn't frozen bread dough?

Originally Posted by dddc (Post 31428550)
They do in the UK.

There's an ad campaign on at the moment say how they have 21 new and improved ingredients. Maybe they should have used better wording than this to describe the "improved" ingredients....



:D:D:D:D

LOL

readywhenyouare Aug 18, 2019 4:22 pm

Subway adds azodicarbonamide to their bread to strengthen it. It's a sketchy additive that hasn't been fully tested.

MaxBuck Aug 18, 2019 6:03 pm


Originally Posted by BamaVol (Post 31414874)
I haven't been in one for years. And I'm sure the last thing I ordered was tuna which is meh at best there. But, I was let down at Panera yesterday. First time ordering tuna there. It was soggy and bland. The bread was awesome. But the filling was more mayonnaise than anything else (which seems to consist of only tuna). I want onions and celery and pickles and I want to taste the tomato. The older I get, the more I disapprove of sandwiches someone else has made.

Panera has deteriorated severely over the past couple of years IMO.

BamaVol Aug 18, 2019 7:24 pm


Originally Posted by MaxBuck (Post 31430432)
Panera has deteriorated severely over the past couple of years IMO.

It has gotten worse. We were in NC in April and I grabbed sandwiches from Atlanta Bread Company. I thought it reminded me of what Panera was once upon a time

bensyd Aug 19, 2019 5:06 pm


Originally Posted by kipper (Post 31428833)
Have you met some of the employees there? Do you think they can make fresh bread that isn't frozen bread dough?

Of course they could. There are chains here that make their own bread and they're staffed by the same sort of people who work at Subway.

Eg...

https://www.bakersdelight.com.au/pro...te-block-loaf/

No preservatives. It can't be that hard to make, can it?

Subway can add all these new ingredients, but the bread lets the whole side down, imo. It just reminds you that you're eating highly processed food.

bensyd Aug 19, 2019 5:07 pm


Originally Posted by readywhenyouare (Post 31430231)
Subway adds azodicarbonamide to their bread to strengthen it. It's a sketchy additive that hasn't been fully tested.




Azodicarbonamide, ADCA, ADA, or azo(bis)formamide, is a chemical compound with the molecular formula C2H4O2N4. It is a yellow to orange-red, odorless, crystalline powder. It is sometimes called a 'yoga mat' chemical because of its widespread use in foamed plastics
That explains the taste! :D

dddc Aug 19, 2019 5:28 pm


Originally Posted by bensyd (Post 31433955)
Of course they could. There are chains here that make their own bread and they're staffed by the same sort of people who work at Subway.

Eg...

https://www.bakersdelight.com.au/pro...te-block-loaf/

No preservatives. It can't be that hard to make, can it?

Subway can add all these new ingredients, but the bread lets the whole side down, imo. It just reminds you that you're eating highly processed food.

Why is bread so expensive in Australia??!! Yes I know Baker's Delight, but use to use La Bon Choix when visiting Brisbane and it's sourdough was a bit cheaper than BD's.

Do BD's staff make the bread from scratch in each store? I thought they just heat up frozen dough like Subway does?

bensyd Aug 19, 2019 6:11 pm


Originally Posted by dddc (Post 31434004)
Why is bread so expensive in Australia??!! Yes I know Baker's Delight, but use to use La Bon Choix when visiting Brisbane and it's sourdough was a bit cheaper than BD's.

Do BD's staff make the bread from scratch in each store? I thought they just heat up frozen dough like Subway does?

I have no idea. I've probably been to Baker's Delight twice in my life, but the bread is infinitely better than Subway. I just assumed they were making it there. Five ingredients and no preservatives.

As to cost, it doesn't seem that expensive to me. Supermarket bread is ~$2-$2.50 for the same sort of thing.

enviroian Aug 26, 2019 5:15 am

I had a subway turkey foot long yesterday in ashford England. The bread option was called “hearty Italian” and it really was delicious.

Lampsaw Sep 21, 2019 11:05 am

I’ve been going to subway for years and honestly I’d say it’s a 95% good deal. I have to agree that if the sandwich maker isn’t motivated then you’ll probably get a crappy sandwich. With that being said, has anyone ever been to a Jimmy Johns?

It’s the weirdest thing, they absolutely refuse to put salt on their sandwiches. I ordered a tune sandwich and asked if they could add some salt/pepper. They maker said “ due to corporate policy they cannot add salt/pepper “. I thought I was getting punked. Then he said I was free to add the salt/ pepper AFTER he made the sandwich. ... Over?

That’s why I go to subway now.

mathprof Sep 22, 2019 5:02 pm


Originally Posted by Lampsaw (Post 31548706)
... With that being said, has anyone ever been to a Jimmy Johns?

It’s the weirdest thing, they absolutely refuse to put salt on their sandwiches... Then he said I was free to add the salt/ pepper AFTER he made the sandwich. ... Over?

That’s why I go to subway now.

The JJ locations I’ve been to in Baltimore, Las Vegas, and Portland didn’t even have salt and pepper in packets or shakers. I started carrying around my own when I travel, just in case I go to JJs.


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