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Old Jul 18, 2013 | 9:36 am
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Originally Posted by slawecki
second i do not know what the water is like in germany today, but 30 years ago, one did not use it to brush one's teeth,
When my family lived in Taiwan in the late 60's, we didn't use the tap water without boiling, but living in Heidelberg in the mid 70's we used it freely without any concern or problem. I never even heard it suggested that the water was not safe.
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Old Jul 19, 2013 | 1:32 am
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Originally Posted by Jenbel
It's just petty on the part of a restaurant to refuse to serve tap water unless they have a good reason (poor quality water), and I'm pretty sure if I encountered an attitude like that, they would get less spend from me, not more. So much for the concept of 'service'.
In England and Wales any licensed premises have to offer free tap water.
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Old Jul 19, 2013 | 11:30 pm
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Originally Posted by Bttc
If by FRA, you mean Frankfurt, then that's just how it is in much of Germany.

No free water. If you want water, it's in a small glass bottle and probably carbonated.
This is one of the things that drives me nuts about Germany. The good news is that bottled water is incredibly cheap there...everywhere but restaurants.

Klsch is cheaper than water in nearly every restaurant in Cologne!
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 6:46 am
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Originally Posted by slawecki
second i do not know what the water is like in germany today, but 30 years ago, one did not use it to brush one's teeth
...and what part of Germany was that? In the summer of 1982, I spent 6 weeks in a small town outside of Freiburg, 1 week in Augsburg, a week in Garmisch-Partenkirchen and a few days in Mnchen. Not only did we brush our teeth with tap water; we drank the water too.
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 12:57 pm
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Originally Posted by Analise
...and what part of Germany was that? In the summer of 1982, I spent 6 weeks in a small town outside of Freiburg, 1 week in Augsburg, a week in Garmisch-Partenkirchen and a few days in Mnchen. Not only did we brush our teeth with tap water; we drank the water too.
Probably a big difference between East and West Germany prior to the unification.
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 1:01 pm
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Originally Posted by rjque
The trend here (in California) is to serve filtered tap, which sometimes tastes better than regular tap water but is much more environmentally friendly than bottled. The machines for filtering are not cheap, and many restaurants are adding a couple of dollars as a water service charge to cover the cost, though many are also just providing the water for free. The machines can also add carbonation to the water, and that is also sometimes provided for free. I think it's a great trend.
It is, and at certain restaurants, it comes at a great expense - not only the systems, but the lack of bottled water sales. I much prefer it as a cost of overhead, i.e., part of the food price, instead of a "water" charge. In fact, I've yet to see a water service charge in these parts.
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Old Aug 14, 2013 | 5:40 am
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water shortage could be the problem

In NYC (and I'm sure elsewhere), particularly in the summer, the reservoirs can be low, so restaurants do NOT routinely supply tap water with meals unless requested.
[NYC water is "safe", in some tastings it has gotten high marks. Right now, summer of 2013, the reservoirs are at normal levels, so this is not an issue.]
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Old Aug 19, 2013 | 2:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Bttc
If by FRA, you mean Frankfurt, then that's just how it is in much of Germany.

No free water. If you want water, it's in a small glass bottle and probably carbonated.

Waiter: "Ohne gas oder mit gas?"
Me (first time in Germany): "Pardon?"
Waiter: "You want bubbles?"
Me: "Um, no"
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Old Aug 19, 2013 | 2:10 pm
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I ordered tap water in Copenhagen a few years back. And that's what I got. I was shocked to get charged a few Euros or so, for it. Buried deep in the menu, was a line that detailed the cost.
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Old Aug 22, 2013 | 11:22 am
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i dont get why you cant get tap water if you request it because the customer is always right
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Old Aug 23, 2013 | 8:07 am
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Originally Posted by rjkgr
i dont get why you cant get tap water if you request it because the customer is always right
I don't disagree with you, but I think that's more of an American sentiment. Definitely not true in Western Europe. Probably true for Eastern Europe and Asia. Just my experience and opinion.
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Old Aug 23, 2013 | 9:16 pm
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Originally Posted by JWEMTX
I don't disagree with you, but I think that's more of an American sentiment. Definitely not true in Western Europe. Probably true for Eastern Europe and Asia. Just my experience and opinion.
Kind of true for some parts of Asia; telling the customer they're wrong would be a "loss of face" thing, so finding way to avoid saying that outright is normal.

Tap water is an unusual in SE Asia, but most restaurants -- even relatively nice ones -- will generally have basic bottled drinking water, and at least at local ones, it'll often be very cheap even if the rest of the menu is spendy by local standards.
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Old Aug 24, 2013 | 1:49 pm
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Originally Posted by rjque
The trend here (in California) is to serve filtered tap, which sometimes tastes better than regular tap water but is much more environmentally friendly than bottled. The machines for filtering are not cheap, and many restaurants are adding a couple of dollars as a water service charge to cover the cost, though many are also just providing the water for free. The machines can also add carbonation to the water, and that is also sometimes provided for free. I think it's a great trend.
Do the restaurants charge much for the filtered tap water in California?

In Canada, there is a growing trend for filtered tap water. One of the top fine dining restaurants in Canada, whom I'm a landlord, used Q water brand filtered type water (not sure if reverse osmosis is involved). It was delicious, and I usually can't tell filtered water from tap water. The filtered water served was $2 pp, but the total cost collected was donated to charitable causes.
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Old Aug 24, 2013 | 3:32 pm
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Originally Posted by Ancien Maestro
Do the restaurants charge much for the filtered tap water in California?
I've never seen a charge for it, although I've only seen a couple of restaurants call it out (many others filter the tap water, but not using fancy brand name stuff.)

The couple of restaurants I've been to that do it just call it out as complimentary. One of my favorites (house of prime rib) asks you if you want complimentary still or sparkling water (you can ask for both, but they don't offer), and brings it in a glass carafe (or two) to the table. It's only if you look closely at the carafe that you see it's branded filtered stuff (and house-carbonated, if sparkling) and not bottled water.
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Old Aug 24, 2013 | 4:38 pm
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Originally Posted by Jenbel
I love the fact that in Edinburgh, diners have basically trained restaurants that we will drink tap water in preference to bottled. If we want bottled, we will ask for it. Otherwise, we're good with tap, thank you - which generally tastes good here. Even our recent excursion to one of the best known Michelins, they had a jug of tap water ready to go for those that wanted and offered it without a quibble.

It's just petty on the part of a restaurant to refuse to serve tap water unless they have a good reason (poor quality water), and I'm pretty sure if I encountered an attitude like that, they would get less spend from me, not more. So much for the concept of 'service'.
I was just in Edinburgh. The waiter brought ice water and I ordered a bottle of sparkling. He said something to the effect that I have water and I said I wanted sparkling. Kinda amazed.

So far, I've never encountered a problem with asking for tap water except at the Conrad Rangali. We'd been there 5 or 6 days, happily drinking filtered water. The staff changed and we asked for filtered water and the waiter said they could serve only bottled. We insisted on filtered and got it. I just don't see paying an arm and a leg for bottled water when good, drinkable water is available. (I also hate paying for bread in Italian restaurants when I don't eat bread.)
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