2009 MQM Rollovers?

 
Old Sep 10, 09, 12:02 pm
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2009 MQM Rollovers?

What happens if I have 140,000 MQMs in 2009?

Three different posts in three different threads in this forum have given three completely different answers to this very basic question. The answers have been:

a) everything over 75,000 2009 MQMs get rolled over to 2010,

b) everything over 125,000 2009 MQMs get rolled over to 2010, and

c) no 2009 MQMs get rolled over.


I find (c) hard to believe because of the following:

"When will the Rollover MQMs be deposited?
The MQMs will be deposited into members' accounts in early 2010 to add to the 2010 MQM balances for 2011 qualification."
https://www.delta.com/help/faqs/skym....jsp#earn_2009

This certainly suggests that 2009 MQMs will be rolled over. However, I am not sure of that, nor of whether it is (a) or (b).

Anyone know?
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Old Sep 10, 09, 1:28 pm
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And the answer is....

b.

You will achieve Diamond status when it starts in the spring and have everything over 125K rolled over to 2010.
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Old Sep 10, 09, 1:33 pm
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Originally Posted by OlderGeek View Post
What happens if I have 140,000 MQMs in 2009?

Three different posts in three different threads in this forum have given three completely different answers to this very basic question. The answers have been:

a) everything over 75,000 2009 MQMs get rolled over to 2010,

b) everything over 125,000 2009 MQMs get rolled over to 2010, and

c) no 2009 MQMs get rolled over.


I find (c) hard to believe because of the following:

"When will the Rollover MQMs be deposited?
The MQMs will be deposited into members' accounts in early 2010 to add to the 2010 MQM balances for 2011 qualification."
https://www.delta.com/help/faqs/skym....jsp#earn_2009

This certainly suggests that 2009 MQMs will be rolled over. However, I am not sure of that, nor of whether it is (a) or (b).

Anyone know?
I'm sure the answer is b - in fact many are holding back on MR plans to ensure that they get to less than 125K because of it. (124999 means Plat next year and almost Gold for sure in 2011 vs 125001 means Diamond for 2010 and a fresh start for 2011).
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Old Sep 10, 09, 1:35 pm
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Based on the following from Delta's website:

Rollover benefit means Medallion Qualification Miles earned in 2009 above member's earned Medallion threshold level will be rolled over to 2010 and will count toward 2011 Medallion status qualification.

The answer is A.

The 100,000 and 125,000 are NOT defined Medallion Thresholds.
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Old Sep 10, 09, 1:37 pm
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Originally Posted by fschmidt View Post
Based on the following from Delta's website:

Rollover benefit means Medallion Qualification Miles earned in 2009 above member's earned Medallion threshold level will be rolled over to 2010 and will count toward 2011 Medallion status qualification.

The answer is A.

The 100,000 and 125,000 are NOT defined Medallion Thresholds.
100K is not, but 125K has become a defined threshold for Diamond. So I still believe only those MQM over 125K will be rolled over. Of course I could be wrong. But of course SkyMilesInsider would never come back and clarify something as simple as this
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Old Sep 10, 09, 2:23 pm
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I am PRETTY certain that this is correct -

Originally Posted by fti View Post
100K is not, but 125K has become a defined threshold for Diamond. So I still believe only those MQM over 125K will be rolled over. Of course I could be wrong.
And I am 100% CERTAIN that this is correct

Originally Posted by fti View Post
But of course SkyMilesInsider would never come back and clarify something as simple as this
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Old Sep 10, 09, 3:09 pm
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The Delta website seems to answer this question rather unambiguously.

Simply follow this link:

http://www.delta.com/help/faqs/skymi...s.jsp#how_work

The table shows an example of someone who gets 200k MQMs. The result? They roll over anything above 125k, so in this case would start 2010 with 75k MQMs.
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Old Sep 10, 09, 3:14 pm
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Originally Posted by kylemore View Post
The Delta website seems to answer this question rather unambiguously.

Simply follow this link:

http://www.delta.com/help/faqs/skymi...s.jsp#how_work

The table shows an example of someone who gets 200k MQMs. The result? They roll over anything above 125k, so in this case would start 2010 with 75k MQMs.
Thanks for finding that link. So (b) is the correct answer.
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Old Sep 10, 09, 3:24 pm
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Originally Posted by kylemore View Post
The Delta website seems to answer this question rather unambiguously.

Simply follow this link:

http://www.delta.com/help/faqs/skymi...s.jsp#how_work

The table shows an example of someone who gets 200k MQMs. The result? They roll over anything above 125k, so in this case would start 2010 with 75k MQMs.
Not really unambiguously. It is unambiguous for 2010 and forward. However, DM won't become "effective" until sometime in the Spring (see the FAQ just below the one referenced). Even if you exceed 125K EQM in 2009, "you will have Platinum Medallion credentials until ... the program begins in spring 2010". And "Diamond benefits will begin with the launch of the Diamond Medallion tier which will be spring 2010."

So the question of how many 2009 EQMs will roll over is not an unreasonable one. I agree that the likely answer is everything over 125K, but it would be nice if DL could clarify this. It would be even nicer if they threw their DMs-to-be a bone and allowed everything over 75K to roll over in this transition year. That would negate the perverse incentive they created for Plats to book away from DL so as not to exceed 125K.
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Old Sep 10, 09, 3:31 pm
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Originally Posted by pmaddock View Post
I'm sure the answer is b - in fact many are holding back on MR plans to ensure that they get to less than 125K because of it. (124999 means Plat next year and almost Gold for sure in 2011 vs 125001 means Diamond for 2010 and a fresh start for 2011).
Well, I guess I didn't read enough! Seems really odd to let a platinum who earns 124,999 MQMs roll over 49,999 MQMs into the next year when the Diamond who traveled 125,001 only rolls over one. Maybe it's the new math, but this doesn't seem right to the Diamond! In this example, the diamond must earn 124,999 MQMS in the next year to re-qualify, but the Platinum only needs earned 75,001 MQMs to qualify for Diamond. Just seems odd.

Alas, I have reached the Diamond threshold and hope that it works out for me next year!

Secondly, anybody else notice that upgrade difference between Diamond and Platinum only benefits Diamonds on discounted fares.

"Diamond Medallion members booked in discounted fare classes will clear for upgrades 5 days out and will always clear before Platinum Medallion members booked in discounted fare classes."

I read this as anything less than an "M" fare. Thoughts?
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Old Sep 10, 09, 3:33 pm
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I agree that the example on the DL web site doesn't answer the question about what happens to 2009 miles. However, farther down this same page it says that anyone who earns 125,000 MQMs in 2009 will be recognized as a DM in spring 2010. Although there's a tiny possibility that they will both (a) let you roll over everything over 75k MQM and (b) recognize you as DM in spring 2010, I would be extraordinarily surprised.
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Old Sep 10, 09, 3:40 pm
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Originally Posted by DL Platinum View Post
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Secondly, anybody else notice that upgrade difference between Diamond and Platinum only benefits Diamonds on discounted fares.

"Diamond Medallion members booked in discounted fare classes will clear for upgrades 5 days out and will always clear before Platinum Medallion members booked in discounted fare classes."

I read this as anything less than an "M" fare. Thoughts?
I think they mean all fares below Y....because after all, a Y fare is instantly upgraded to First (of course it doesn't seem to ever be available)
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Old Sep 10, 09, 3:43 pm
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Well, I guess I didn't read enough! Seems really odd to let a platinum who earns 124,999 MQMs roll over 49,999 MQMs into the next year when the Diamond who traveled 125,001 only rolls over one. Maybe it's the new math, but this doesn't seem right to the Diamond! In this example, the diamond must earn 124,999 MQMS in the next year to re-qualify, but the Platinum only needs earned 75,001 MQMs to qualify for Diamond. Just seems odd.

Alas, I have reached the Diamond threshold and hope that it works out for me next year!

Secondly, anybody else notice that upgrade difference between Diamond and Platinum only benefits Diamonds on discounted fares.

"Diamond Medallion members booked in discounted fare classes will clear for upgrades 5 days out and will always clear before Platinum Medallion members booked in discounted fare classes."

I read this as anything less than an "M" fare. Thoughts?
I read as anything less then Y
as Y gets an upgrade. if available, earlier.
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Old Sep 10, 09, 3:43 pm
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What happens to the guy who has 260,000 miles? He qualifes for Diamon and 135,000 rollover to 2010 (260,000-125,000).

He would obviously qualify for Diamond again, but would the extra 10,000 roll to 2011??
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Old Sep 10, 09, 3:45 pm
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If there are two choices, and one choice favors DL while the other choice favors the traveler, then the correct choice is the one that favors DL.

B is the correct answer.

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