JoeFlyer

I believe that the only thing left to do with Delta going down hill following the other airlines is to fight back. So to even the score, I’d like to propose a few new rules from frequent fliers to Delta effective September 5, 2002:

(1) Flight delays of any kind will result in the passenger being paid $100. In the event that Delta does not inform passengers of the delay well in advance, then Delta will refund the entire purchase price. The exception to this rule will be the “flat tire” rule where no funds are to the passenger if the plane literally has a flat tire.

(2) Medallion members paying insULT level fares will not be allowed to upgrade, but instead will be given an entire empty row in coach so that they may lay down instead. The first class meal (if any) and drinks will be provided.

(3) Since Delta has increased the fee to have miles refunded to $100, Delta in turn will provide customers a $100 inconvenience fee each time that you request a flight and it does not have free seats available. This will cost them thousands before you find a free flight.

MarkinDallas

(4) if all of you ever again institute two prices changes that are identical to all your competitors, then we'll spend our extra waiting time (because we didn't pay the $100) reading the antitrust law to see if you're breaking the letter or the spirit of the law on price collusion.
Mark, Dallas

WHY2K

(5) You are unable to travel on a non-refundable ticket and the airline kept the total fare paid for the airfare plus the taxes. The airline should refund the taxes and airport user fees which were included in the ticket price since you did not use the airport facilities, FAA or airport security functions.
These fees are federal and local imposed. I don't remember seeing any press announcements that these government entities were matching the airlines fare rule changes of last week. Besides, if the taxes are refunded on refundable tickets when not used, they should be refunded on non-refundable tickets when not used also.

diesel33

Aren't there some Doctor's out there, though none that I've actually been to, who charge you for not showing up for your appointment, or not cancelling more than 24 hours out? If so, what's the difference? I wish I could collect from my doctor when my 9:30 appointment didn't get me in until 1pm. Or my lawyer didn't call me back about the rescheduling of an appointment.

I truly feel all of you make really good points about the unfairness of some of these policies. Like I said in a previous thread, I don't quite like them myself, if nothing else, it's just another set of rules that I have to interpret/memorize.

However, this is how things are. I only hope that I can work with any of you to make DL your airline of choice.

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obscure2k

Some physicians in certain specialties will charge for a missed appointment (or one which is not cancelled within 24 hours) ONLY if they are unable to fill the appointment time. If they fill the time seeing a patient who was on the waiting list, the missed-appointment fee is waived. (At least, that's how it works in my house).

russellt

(6) if the aircraft does not arrive at the gate 2 hours prior to deparetue (3 for international flights) passengers will be given $100.00

(7) If the last boarding call is not made within 15 minutes of scheduled departure all passengers not yet boarded get $100.00.

(8) Now that no shows are no longer an issue if a flight is overbooked everyone that made a reservation after all seats were sold will get $100.00.

(9) On all flights in which the pilot has a gun everyone with ticket fare code K or higher can carry a gun. L U and T fare passengers can carry a knife and non-revs may carry a big stick. Pasengers standing by from flights 2 hours earlier may have a tire tool.

(10) passengers with less than 2 bags, or bags weighing under 70 lbs or 62 inches each will be given transferable vouchers so they can sell their excess baggage space to overloaded passengers.

(11) Passengers paying for nonrefundable seats will have their name pinned on the head cushion, will earn mileage for the flight, no one will be allowed to sit in that seat unless they compensate that passenger according to the full fare for that segment, and the coke and peanuts alotted to that empty seat will be donated to charity. In the event mail or cargo is placed on the plane that passenger and all passengers with unsold vouchers from rule (10) will share in the revenue generated.

(12) In the event of a crash passengers with non refundable ticket will have the same rights to compensation as those physically on board.

(13) Prior to boarding any passenger may write his own rules of carriage and the airline will be subject to them as long as he attaches them to his ticket. In the event of an e-ticket the airline will be subject to said conditions of carriage if the passenger comits them to his memory.

(14) Delta employees, shareholders, officers and directors will refrain from eating anything other than pretzels and peanuts at anytime that there is a Delta flight in the air that does not have food service.

(15) In the event of lost or misrouted baggage the passenger will recieve frequent flyer miles based on the greater of the actual miles flown by the passengers or his bag.

diesel33

Way too funny russellt.

You are making my poit for me. Whenever all the rules in a given environment cannot be enforced and/or easily understood/interpreted by all involved, then you may have too many rules.

RSSrsvp

Unless the doctor was a world famous specialist, had a medical emergency or was the only game in town, I would switch if I was left waiting for an unreasonable amount of time on a regular basis. My time is worth money also, and doctors should respect that fact. Many of them make it a practice to heavily overbook appointments as they do receive many cancellations.

diesel33

granted my time example is extreme, but should I be able to charge him/her because they are late, because they are they one's oevrbooking not me. Or is overbooking an airplane to compensate for no-shows not the same as a Dr. overbooking appointments to comensate for their "many cancellations?"

obscure2k

--many doctors will allow you to stand-by in the event that there is a "no-show." Only when you actually get in to see the doctor will you be charged--

diesel33

right, but should I be able to charge him for being late as suggested at the top of this thread as JoeFlyer sugegsted in his rule number 1?

JoeFlyer

Hi! My point was that the airlines are charging us $100 for the PRIVLEDGE to stand-by on earlier flights with empty seats. That's wrong.

To bring your analogy of doctors into play that would be like a doctor saying "Well, I know that it's an emergency, but if you sit here in my office until I have an opening then I'll squeeze you in for an extra $100. Otherwise you'll have to wait until my next open appointment at 5 p.m."

Also, the doctor analogy is not a good one in the first place. If a doctor could see 200 people in one sitting, calculate that 5% won't show, and book 210 people for 200 slots -- then they wouldn't need to collect no show fees.

That's the real point -- the airlines have revenue tools that show almost exactly how many seats they can oversell safely. Despite that incredible advantage, they now want to charge for the PRIVLEDGE of standing by.

- Joe

P.S. By the way, to our friend from Arkansas I nearly fell over laughing reading your gun rule for K class passengers above.