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mdb Aug 18, 2009 12:43 pm


As far as Award redemption, we currently do determine availability in Coach based on respective elite status, and our plan is to continue in 2010.
How about Business Class? THAT would be an enhancement.

DeltaFirst Aug 18, 2009 1:04 pm


Originally Posted by Denolloyd (Post 12244450)
Re-qualifying Medallion Credentials effective are currently sent out a bit prior to 2/1 or 3/1 (don't recall). No Change. This may be considered SPRING by DL.



More than likely, Spring 2010 will mean the traditional medallion year effective date (once again 2/1 or 3/1).



Right.. Since the new DM tier starts in the spring of 2010, none of us would expect a DM card this month.

Do you really see DL sending out TWO sets of medallion credentials to DM's in the Spring? I don't. IMO, they will roll out of the Entire 2010 Medallion Program for FO, GM, PM, and DM at the same time, thus reducing confusion and cost.

You know we all seem to forget that big organizations like Delta are not as nimble as we'd like to believe. I believe Delta is already prepped to deliver as is described in the FAQs on the web site. I agree it would make more sense to wait and deliver credentials for one program but at this point I don't see that happening. We are all assuming March 1 as the roll out date, but from what I've read that date is a target. Spring is not March 1st, it could be April or May. Don't you think the whinning on FT would be loudest if no credentials were delivered until April or May? Probably a smarter management decision to keep both programs in motion on parallel paths until the new one is established. BTW, the timeline on the web site says 1/1, 2/1 not 2/1, 3/1 for new medallion credentials. Once again, I'm expecting 6 PMU for PM and another 6 SWU when the DM program is established.

Medallion® Qualification Miles (Year to date): 176961
Medallion® Qualification Segments (Year to date): 44

Denolloyd Aug 18, 2009 1:11 pm


Originally Posted by DeltaFirst (Post 12244625)
I'm expecting 6 PMU for PM and another 6 SWU when the DM program is established.

Medallion® Qualification Miles (Year to date): 176961
Medallion® Qualification Segments (Year to date): 44

You fly a lot, sweet ^

Not sure why your current MQM's would be pertinent to this particular discussion, however I am on your side.

I would love to receive 12 PMU's next year. I just don't think its gonna happen. Time will tell.

opushomes Aug 18, 2009 1:15 pm


Originally Posted by SkyMilesInsider (Post 12243088)
Hello again! We’re continuing to monitor your posts – thanks for the feedback! – and wanted to address a couple questions that have come up in the last week or so. Here goes:

When do I start qualifying for new status? Will my MQMs from this year count toward 2010 status? You can begin earning your way toward 2010 status NOW, and 2010 benefits will be implemented in the spring of next year. Rollover MQMs from 2009 will be deposited into your account in early 2010 to add to your 2010 MQM balance for 2011 qualification. Those who earn at least 125,000 MQMs in 2009 will be recognized as Diamonds as soon as the program begins in spring 2010.



Please post your response(s) to the questions posed in respect to this in the NW forum in both forums so we can understand what you mean.

troyintn Aug 18, 2009 1:20 pm


Originally Posted by DeltaFirst (Post 12244625)
You know we all seem to forget that big organizations like Delta are not as nimble as we'd like to believe. I believe Delta is already prepped to deliver as is described in the FAQs on the web site. I agree it would make more sense to wait and deliver credentials for one program but at this point I don't see that happening. We are all assuming March 1 as the roll out date, but from what I've read that date is a target. Spring is not March 1st, it could be April or May. Don't you think the whinning on FT would be loudest if no credentials were delivered until April or May? Probably a smarter management decision to keep both programs in motion on parallel paths until the new one is established. BTW, the timeline on the web site says 1/1, 2/1 not 2/1, 3/1 for new medallion credentials. Once again, I'm expecting 6 PMU for PM and another 6 SWU when the DM program is established.

Medallion® Qualification Miles (Year to date): 176961
Medallion® Qualification Segments (Year to date): 44

I tend to agree, I think they are having a lot of IT integration issues as this will change the whole UPG lists and everything else in the FF program.

DLfan Aug 18, 2009 1:34 pm


Originally Posted by DeltaFirst (Post 12244625)
Once again, I'm expecting 6 PMU for PM and another 6 SWU when the DM program is established.

As one who uses every PMU I get, I'll keep my fingers crossed that you are correct. In the past; however, I have not received my new PM credentials until late February or early March.

TheMadBrewer Aug 18, 2009 1:39 pm


Originally Posted by DeltaFirst (Post 12244625)
Once again, I'm expecting 6 PMU for PM and another 6 SWU when the DM program is established.

Why would you expect 6 PMU in 2010 when they have clearly said PM will get only 4 (if they choose that benefit)?

I could make DM this year, but would have little chance of requalifying. If I roll over miles I could make DM in 2010 (for 2011) The possible shortened DM life (starting Apr, May, Jun? -- all are "spring") may be what decides me.

DeltaFirst Aug 18, 2009 6:20 pm


Originally Posted by TheMadBrewer (Post 12244829)
Why would you expect 6 PMU in 2010 when they have clearly said PM will get only 4 (if they choose that benefit)?

I could make DM this year, but would have little chance of requalifying. If I roll over miles I could make DM in 2010 (for 2011) The possible shortened DM life (starting Apr, May, Jun? -- all are "spring") may be what decides me.

That's right, Delta says the new Medallion program will not kick off until SPRING 2010. You'll still be a PM until Delta says you are a DM sometime next year.

ULDB65 Aug 19, 2009 8:33 am


Originally Posted by DeltaFirst (Post 12246229)
That's right, Delta says the new Medallion program will not kick off until SPRING 2010. You'll still be a PM until Delta says you are a DM sometime next year.

I agree. By earning 75k MQM in 2009, you qualify for the current PM, which will get you 6 PMU's, typically delivered in Feb. Sometime next year, in the northern hemisphere spring, the new DM level will go into effect, they will issue new credentials, and the SWU's and other changes will take effect.

TheMadBrewer Aug 19, 2009 9:16 am


Originally Posted by ULDB65 (Post 12248726)
I agree. By earning 75k MQM in 2009, you qualify for the current PM, which will get you 6 PMU's, typically delivered in Feb. Sometime next year, in the northern hemisphere spring, the new DM level will go into effect, they will issue new credentials, and the SWU's and other changes will take effect.

If you are a current PM, I don't think this is true. From the Original Post:


Originally Posted by RealDLInsider (Post 12134183)
Beginning in 2010, rather than six systemwide upgrades, Platinums will now have the option of receiving four new systemwide upgrades or can choose from a set of optional benefits instead. For those current Platinum Medallions who earn the new Diamond Medallion status, in addition to the four systemwide upgrades, they will receive two additional choice-benefits including the ability to have six additional systemwide upgrades for a total of 10 systemwide upgrades.

Now somebody who was gold before and passes 75K there is a gray area. DL (as NW did) gives you status for the rest of this year when you pass a threshold, even though the status is really for next year. In the past what did DL do with PMU's?

If I passed 75K in March of 2008 would I get 6 PMU's for 2008 and then another 6 PMU's for 2009?

If I passed 75K in December of 2008 would I get 6 PMU's for 2008 and then another 6 PMU's for 2009?

I'm guessing the latter is not true, and if so there must be cut of date where you don't get PMU's for the current year, but get them with everybody else for the next year.

For most people, I'd count on 4 PMUs not 6, at least at the start of the year. While DM might not start until later in the year, I haven't seen anything to suggest the 2010 Medallion program won't start as usual March 1, 2010. 2010 Platinums can choose 4 PMUs as one of their choice benefits.

mcjava Aug 19, 2009 9:58 am


Originally Posted by TheMadBrewer (Post 12248969)
If you are a current PM, I don't think this is true. From the Original Post:



Now somebody who was gold before and passes 75K there is a gray area. DL (as NW did) gives you status for the rest of this year when you pass a threshold, even though the status is really for next year. In the past what did DL do with PMU's?

If I passed 75K in March of 2008 would I get 6 PMU's for 2008 and then another 6 PMU's for 2009?

If I passed 75K in December of 2008 would I get 6 PMU's for 2008 and then another 6 PMU's for 2009?

<snip>

If you were not PM at the start of a year, when you passed the 75K mark, you would get your PM credentials (valid for the balance of that year, the next year, and up to Feb.28 of the following year) and your 6 PMU's (valid for one year from date of issue). The next year, when everyone else is getting their PM credentials, you would not get 6 more PMU's. You have a very long dry spell until the following year (assuming you qualified again).

In short, the only time you don't get PMU's in the first part of a year is when the prior year you made PM after starting the prior year not as PM.

STBCypriot Aug 19, 2009 10:21 am


Originally Posted by martin33 (Post 12240696)
Isn't the 2009 PM "program" the one currently in progress, 3/1/09 (or "grandfathered" qualification week achieved in 2008, if a new PM) to 2/28/10? Its benefits are 6 PMU for PM's plus the other PM benefits.

The 2010 program starting 3/1/10, is to have its benefits based on the 2009 qualifying period. The old benefit table would be thus be moot, would it not? If you are an "old" PM for the 2009 medallion program year, then requalifying for PM2010 is not a "status change" as put in the Insider's post (#540), so no "immediate promotion" Choice Benefit would apply. Seems you would get only the new PM 2010 benefit, or the new DM 2010 benefits, to enjoy starting 3/1/2010.

If you requalified for PM "early" during 2009, say by June, did they already give you PMU's? That would seem to me the only way to end up with 12 (6 old, 6 new) if you hit 125K during 2009.

For someone starting from below PM in 2010, the described process seems very clear-- PM "status change" benefit on hitting 75K, and two DM "status change" benefits on hitting 125K during 2010. Same for a PM who first hits 125K during 2010; they would have started 3/1/10 with one benefit and then qualify for two "status change" ones.

What happened to someone who started below PM in 2009? If they hit 75K during 2009, do/did they get immmediate promotion to current PM with a grandfathered 2009 allotment of 6 old-style PMU? That would be another way to have 6 old and end up with 6 new if going on to 125K during 2009..

or, is there a further issue I am missing, in that DM will not be ready for prime-time by the time the 2010 year starts on 3/1/10? in that case, a one-time treatment of "PM's moving up to DM" scenario could ensue, resulting in the "10 new" SWU outcome, since every PM having 125K 2009 MQM's would experience a status change sometime after 3/1/10..

It seems to me that those people who qualify for PM in 2009 (for 2010) will get their PM credentials in 2009 and will get those 6 PMUs to use right away and then in 2010 if they have then gone on and qualified for Diamond, will get DM credentials and bennies in Spring 2010. However, us Platinum Medallions who requalify in 2009 will not get anything in 2009 and will have to wait until Spring 2010 to get our reduced Platinum credentials (4 PMUs) or Diamond benefits, if we qualify. In other words, qualify for PM in 2009 now and get 6 PMUs now, requalify for PM now and wait until Spring 2010 to get 4 PMUs, qualify for PM now and DM by the end of 2009 and get 6 PMUs now and then in Spring 2010 get DM bennies too (10 PMUs) for a total of 16 PMUs, requalify for PM now and DM by the end of 2010 and get DM bennies (10 PMUs) for a total of 10 PMUs.

So, the way I see this existing PMs (PMs who qualified in 2008 for 2009) loose out over new PMs who qualify in early 2009. Doesn't seem like a good way to reward loyal DL customers (existing PMs). I'm somewhat disapoiinted with this and have told DL so. They read my comment, but did not offer what I would consider a resolution.

I guess I shouldn't have done that MR at the end of 2008 to make PM and should have waited until this year year since I requalified for PM in June and am already at 143k MQMs.

DiverDave Aug 19, 2009 1:56 pm


Originally Posted by STBCypriot (Post 12249286)
I guess I shouldn't have done that MR at the end of 2008 to make PM and should have waited until this year year since I requalified for PM in June and am already at 143k MQMs.

However by qualifying for PM in 2008, you received 6 PMUs that are good until sometime later this year or until 2010.

David

STBCypriot Aug 19, 2009 2:33 pm


Originally Posted by DiverDave (Post 12250514)
However by qualifying for PM in 2008, you received 6 PMUs that are good until sometime later this year or until 2010.

David


Yes, this is true. I did and I already used them all. I could use 6 more as I have 3 more international trips scheduled. Sure would like those diamond PMUs now. I guess I will have to use miles to upgrade.

raehl311 Aug 19, 2009 3:30 pm

I have an idea. How about DL just explains how it will work in plain English? Then we don't have to guess.


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