A Challenge: The Least-Expensive Way to Get The Most Medallion Qualification Miles?
#811
Join Date: May 2008
Programs: DL AA UA
Posts: 2,359
I am in a bad situation. I did my two mileage runs so far and got one more for tomorrow. I have 44446 MQM now and flying NW tomorrow from TPA-SFO-TPA. Problem is, NW is showing TPA-SFO as TPA-MSP-SFO with two segments, but same flight number (even though two different seat configs and gate numbers at MSP). And DL is seeing it as TPA-SFO. SFO-TPA is shown as SFO-DTW-TPA for both systems. Result is I get 5455 MQM for TPA-SFO-DTW-TPA instead of 5957 MQM as I expected initially, and get stuck at 49900 MQM for the year, instead of 50235 MQM.
Customer Service:
NW: See it as two segments, ask DL
DL: One segment, see what NW says
NW: Can't do anything. You can try to change ticket for TPA-ATL-SFO for $160 (Already spent $600 on MRs this year and broke)
DL: We did soft landing for people before, can't gurantee.
My flight is 2:05PM tomorrow. What do I do?
Customer Service:
NW: See it as two segments, ask DL
DL: One segment, see what NW says
NW: Can't do anything. You can try to change ticket for TPA-ATL-SFO for $160 (Already spent $600 on MRs this year and broke)
DL: We did soft landing for people before, can't gurantee.
My flight is 2:05PM tomorrow. What do I do?
#812
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: at 35,000 feet
Programs: WN A-List; Hyatt Glob: CC/HH Gold, Hertz 5*
Posts: 1,473
You should be able to see your stand by and FlyNow options starting 24 hours prior to departure. At the most it's going to cost you $25 to change the flights to something that will be counted as 2 separate segments.
#813
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: ATL
Programs: Delta Platinum, SPG Platinum, Marriott Platinum, Hilton Gold, Avis First
Posts: 150
"There are no alternative flight options available at this time.
Please continue checking in for your confirmed flight.
You may return later to check if alternative flights are available at that time."
Not cool at all. I'll probably have to go to Airport and beg the GAs.
Please continue checking in for your confirmed flight.
You may return later to check if alternative flights are available at that time."
Not cool at all. I'll probably have to go to Airport and beg the GAs.
#814
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Right here
Posts: 2,940
Both NW and DL require segments to have different flight numbers to earn mileage credit for both. Otherwise, you get the non-stop mileage between the start and end points. Sorry, but them's the rules. Given that the two flights have the same number, neither a DL nor an NW agent should be leading you to believe that you should earn TPA-MSP-SFO miles rather than TPA-SFO miles.
NW (see Rule 1 at http://www.nwa.com/worldperks/program/memguide/):
Mileage accrual is based on the nonstop mileage between your origin and destination for each segment of the trip. A segment is defined as all travel under a single flight number. On connecting flights that require a change of plane and flight number, credit is given for each segment of the trip.
DL (http://www.delta.com/skymiles/about_...sp#calculation):
# On nonstop and direct flights, mileage credited will be calculated based upon the distance from origin to final destination, regardless of the number of stops.
# On connecting flights that require a change of plane and flight number, mileage credited will be calculated based upon the distance from origin to destination for each segment of the trip.
NW (see Rule 1 at http://www.nwa.com/worldperks/program/memguide/):
Mileage accrual is based on the nonstop mileage between your origin and destination for each segment of the trip. A segment is defined as all travel under a single flight number. On connecting flights that require a change of plane and flight number, credit is given for each segment of the trip.
DL (http://www.delta.com/skymiles/about_...sp#calculation):
# On nonstop and direct flights, mileage credited will be calculated based upon the distance from origin to final destination, regardless of the number of stops.
# On connecting flights that require a change of plane and flight number, mileage credited will be calculated based upon the distance from origin to destination for each segment of the trip.
#815
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: ATL
Programs: Delta Platinum, SPG Platinum, Marriott Platinum, Hilton Gold, Avis First
Posts: 150
Both NW and DL CSRs are pretty clear that I'll get TPA-SFO instead of TPA-MSP-SFO. It's actually the reservations that's showing something different.
Date: Tuesday, December 16
Flight: NW 435
Departs: Tampa-Int'l, FL (TPA) at 2:05PM
Arrives: Minneapolis/St. Paul-Int'l, MN (MSP) at 4:28PM
Class of Service: Economy Class (K) Seat: XX
Flight Duration: 3 hours 23 minutes Approximate Miles: 1,308
Meal Service: Snacks Aircraft: Boeing 757-200
Note: Operated by Northwest Airlines
Note: Check in with Northwest Airlines. 45 minute check in required in Tampa
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Date: Tuesday, December 16
Flight: NW 435
Departs: Minneapolis/St. Paul-Int'l, MN (MSP) at 5:40PM
Arrives: San Francisco-Int'l, CA (SFO) at 7:46PM
Class of Service: Economy Class (K) Seat: XX
Flight Duration: 4 hours 6 minutes Approximate Miles: 1,586
Meal Service: Snacks Aircraft: Boeing 757-200
Note: Operated by Northwest Airlines
Note: Check in with Northwest Airlines. 45 minute check in required in Tampa
Date: Tuesday, December 16
Flight: NW 435
Departs: Tampa-Int'l, FL (TPA) at 2:05PM
Arrives: Minneapolis/St. Paul-Int'l, MN (MSP) at 4:28PM
Class of Service: Economy Class (K) Seat: XX
Flight Duration: 3 hours 23 minutes Approximate Miles: 1,308
Meal Service: Snacks Aircraft: Boeing 757-200
Note: Operated by Northwest Airlines
Note: Check in with Northwest Airlines. 45 minute check in required in Tampa
Content is provided solely by Frommers.com and the opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Northwest Airlines.
Date: Tuesday, December 16
Flight: NW 435
Departs: Minneapolis/St. Paul-Int'l, MN (MSP) at 5:40PM
Arrives: San Francisco-Int'l, CA (SFO) at 7:46PM
Class of Service: Economy Class (K) Seat: XX
Flight Duration: 4 hours 6 minutes Approximate Miles: 1,586
Meal Service: Snacks Aircraft: Boeing 757-200
Note: Operated by Northwest Airlines
Note: Check in with Northwest Airlines. 45 minute check in required in Tampa
#816
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Right here
Posts: 2,940
I'm not trying to be a jerk. My guess is that everyone on this board either learned this lesson the hard way (like you are right now) or was lucky enough to hear about it on FT before the situation hit us. However, this little quirk is definitely featured in the rules of both NW and DL's FF programs, so unless you can change one of your legs to a flight with a different number, I don't think there's much you can do to earn the TPA-MSP-SFO miles, no matter how deceptive the information on the reservation seems.
Another reason to avoid flights with the same number is that you can't get a UG unless space is available on both flights. So, even if the UG bucket is wide open on your TPA-MSP flight, if there's no UG availability on the MSP-SFO leg, you won't get the TPA-MSP UG.
#817
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: TXL, ATL
Programs: DL PM, GE
Posts: 371
i suggest renting a car at Avis or other participating stations for 2 days, that gives you 200 miles more.
#818
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: DCA
Programs: DL DM, AA EXP, various hotel
Posts: 2,227
That's actually a DL-only issue. For whatever reason, the NW IT is configured so that you can get the upgrade on one of the legs.
#820
Join Date: May 2005
Location: FLL
Programs: DL ♦M MM|HH♦|Marr Slvr|CO UA AA US|Pri Cub Plat|SPG|Avis 1st|Htz 5*
Posts: 5,044
#821
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: at 35,000 feet
Programs: WN A-List; Hyatt Glob: CC/HH Gold, Hertz 5*
Posts: 1,473
FWIW, this year I had a connection under a single flight number post as two separate segments on NW. So it is possible that the system still splits it up despite being under a single number. YMMV, and it is more likely it will post as 1 segment.
I'd go in early and try to stand by. Maybe you can even route through DTW and add a few more miles to be sure. Good luck.
I'd go in early and try to stand by. Maybe you can even route through DTW and add a few more miles to be sure. Good luck.
#822
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Roanoke, VA
Programs: DL Gold Hilton Gold
Posts: 2,436
Here's hoping you were able to talk your way on to the 7:31 a.m.! ^
I'd be a little reluctant to put my faith in having a (cough cough) flat tire on my way to TPA and hoping I would get rebooked on to the ATL connecting flight.
I'd be a little reluctant to put my faith in having a (cough cough) flat tire on my way to TPA and hoping I would get rebooked on to the ATL connecting flight.
#823
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NC, USA
Programs: AA Gold 1MM, AA Exec Plat, Marriott Lifetime Plat, Hilton Diamond, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 1,012
#824
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: PIT and DCA
Programs: AA plat, SPG gold, HH gold, UA Premier
Posts: 21
Help! Need 272 miles before year end to make Gold
Any deals (flights, CC promos, etc.) to get these last few miles? Flying out of PIT. Thanks.
#825
Join Date: Feb 2007
Programs: United 1K, Delta PM, Hilton Diamond, Starwood Gold, National Exec. Elite
Posts: 1,406
fly to anywhere, that'll do it
Since you are flying out of PIT your options aren't that great for skyteam, what is it worth to ya?
Since you are flying out of PIT your options aren't that great for skyteam, what is it worth to ya?