Delta rolling back some changes
#586
Join Date: Sep 2023
Posts: 83
No more Delta bookings for me till Ed's 'rollbacks' are announced.
I'm an international based Diamond who typically re-qualifies thanks to 4-5 India-USA trips & 3-4 India-Europe trips a year. I have a team of 8 people who work under me & at any point, 1 or 2 travel with me depending on where I'm going & what case I'm working on. They all fly what I fly so altogether we are 3 Diamond & 4 Platinum members. My wife & kids are also Gold thanks to a couple of India-USA trips we end up taking every year.
I always believed I would be the type of member Delta would be pretty happy to have. I fly exclusively with them, hardly use the lounge, hardly use GUCs & am always flying business/first class so not taking up upgrade space. The same goes for my family & my work colleagues. They get all my business & I take up very little in terms of benefits.
Since the changes were announced, I've made the next 3 bookings on other airlines. Probably the first time I have done this in years. 2 trips are to the US & one to Amsterdam. I'm going to continue to do this till these 'rollbacks' are revealed. After that I'll take a call on what to do next. As much as I have been loyal to Delta for the last 10 odd years, as an international Medallion member, I can't see myself spending $35K on them every year to retain my Diamond status.
I'm an international based Diamond who typically re-qualifies thanks to 4-5 India-USA trips & 3-4 India-Europe trips a year. I have a team of 8 people who work under me & at any point, 1 or 2 travel with me depending on where I'm going & what case I'm working on. They all fly what I fly so altogether we are 3 Diamond & 4 Platinum members. My wife & kids are also Gold thanks to a couple of India-USA trips we end up taking every year.
I always believed I would be the type of member Delta would be pretty happy to have. I fly exclusively with them, hardly use the lounge, hardly use GUCs & am always flying business/first class so not taking up upgrade space. The same goes for my family & my work colleagues. They get all my business & I take up very little in terms of benefits.
Since the changes were announced, I've made the next 3 bookings on other airlines. Probably the first time I have done this in years. 2 trips are to the US & one to Amsterdam. I'm going to continue to do this till these 'rollbacks' are revealed. After that I'll take a call on what to do next. As much as I have been loyal to Delta for the last 10 odd years, as an international Medallion member, I can't see myself spending $35K on them every year to retain my Diamond status.
#587




Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: NYC/LA
Programs: DL DM, UA Silver, Marriott Titanium/LTP, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 9,815
Part rhetorical I guess and part inquisitive but I don't really understand why Delta would care if their lounges are "overcrowded"? other than if AMEX has told them they need to scale back on the CC costs associated with the unlimited access to AMEX Plat and DL Reserve
But Amex is clearly looking to cut costs (look at all the very recent limits to sign up bonuses), so I can see them having had a say in these changes.
#588




Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 6,496
No more Delta bookings for me till Ed's 'rollbacks' are announced.
I'm an international based Diamond who typically re-qualifies thanks to 4-5 India-USA trips & 3-4 India-Europe trips a year. I have a team of 8 people who work under me & at any point, 1 or 2 travel with me depending on where I'm going & what case I'm working on. They all fly what I fly so altogether we are 3 Diamond & 4 Platinum members. My wife & kids are also Gold thanks to a couple of India-USA trips we end up taking every year.
I always believed I would be the type of member Delta would be pretty happy to have. I fly exclusively with them, hardly use the lounge, hardly use GUCs & am always flying business/first class so not taking up upgrade space. The same goes for my family & my work colleagues. They get all my business & I take up very little in terms of benefits.
Since the changes were announced, I've made the next 3 bookings on other airlines. Probably the first time I have done this in years. 2 trips are to the US & one to Amsterdam. I'm going to continue to do this till these 'rollbacks' are revealed. After that I'll take a call on what to do next. As much as I have been loyal to Delta for the last 10 odd years, as an international Medallion member, I can't see myself spending $35K on them every year to retain my Diamond status.
I'm an international based Diamond who typically re-qualifies thanks to 4-5 India-USA trips & 3-4 India-Europe trips a year. I have a team of 8 people who work under me & at any point, 1 or 2 travel with me depending on where I'm going & what case I'm working on. They all fly what I fly so altogether we are 3 Diamond & 4 Platinum members. My wife & kids are also Gold thanks to a couple of India-USA trips we end up taking every year.
I always believed I would be the type of member Delta would be pretty happy to have. I fly exclusively with them, hardly use the lounge, hardly use GUCs & am always flying business/first class so not taking up upgrade space. The same goes for my family & my work colleagues. They get all my business & I take up very little in terms of benefits.
Since the changes were announced, I've made the next 3 bookings on other airlines. Probably the first time I have done this in years. 2 trips are to the US & one to Amsterdam. I'm going to continue to do this till these 'rollbacks' are revealed. After that I'll take a call on what to do next. As much as I have been loyal to Delta for the last 10 odd years, as an international Medallion member, I can't see myself spending $35K on them every year to retain my Diamond status.
#589
Join Date: Sep 2023
Posts: 83
I never used a dime of CC spend to qualify and there are plenty of us out there. They need to FLY more on airlines and PAY more for actual tickets. Like I do.
#590


Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 7,044
Part rhetorical I guess and part inquisitive but I don't really understand why Delta would care if their lounges are "overcrowded"? other than if AMEX has told them they need to scale back on the CC costs associated with the unlimited access to AMEX Plat and DL Reserve
#591
Join Date: Feb 2019
Programs: Kroger Plus, Starbucks Green Card, My Walgreens
Posts: 5,550
it's a really weird coincidence that the objectively correct method and the method that you happen to use are exactly the same
#592
Join Date: Sep 2023
Posts: 83
You are both wrong. DL cares about the overcrowding at their lounges because it represents their image and their product and their brand. They want to offer the best product and be able to demand premium dollars for that product. Just as they would never want CSRs or FA or GA to give terrible service, they don't want their lounges too either. They need to differential all aspects of their product ecosystem so that their MOST frequent fliers and their HIGHEST paying customers have and end to end superior experience from the moment they enter the airport to the moment they complete their trip. The system broke down in the last several years and they are thankfully righting the ship. They would rather have fewer people spending more, than more people spending less. That race to the bottom never ends well.
#593



Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Paradise
Posts: 1,696
Your are not entitled to Diamond status because you spend money with your CC. And as I have said, as a true frequent flyer on many airlines, I won't miss the entitle pax with faux status. You don't deserve to be in the same status level as someone who flies much more than you and spends much more than you. Not sure what the big deal is for you since you said you don't use the status benefits anyway. Maybe your ego can't handle boarding behind the likes of me? A woman no less who flies and spends more than you? There are too many elites at all the levels, the line has to be drawn somewhere. And the good news is, you have flying choices if you don't like Delta.
#594


Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 2,130
You are both wrong. DL cares about the overcrowding at their lounges because it represents their image and their product and their brand. They want to offer the best product and be able to demand premium dollars for that product. Just as they would never want CSRs or FA or GA to give terrible service, they don't want their lounges too either. They need to differential all aspects of their product ecosystem so that their MOST frequent fliers and their HIGHEST paying customers have and end to end superior experience from the moment they enter the airport to the moment they complete their trip. The system broke down in the last several years and they are thankfully righting the ship. They would rather have fewer people spending more, than more people spending less. That race to the bottom never ends well.
#595
Join Date: Sep 2023
Posts: 83
The goal should be to have more people spending more. It does not matter if you have more people spending less or less people spending more - you basically wind up in the same place. The highest spenders will spend the same - there is no material upside from them at the scale at which DL operates. The growth in a mature business comes from the bottom 80%, not the top 20%.
#596




Join Date: Sep 2023
Posts: 204
I doubt the poster youre responding to is even a woman. It sounded like one of the rare troll posts on here.
#597
Join Date: Sep 2023
Posts: 83
Keyser said he isn't flying DL until they rollback some of their changes. I can and will respond to that as I agree for reasons stated with Delta's new policies. And if you were a woman flyer you would get my sentiment, it's rather difficult especially since I fly more than 99.9% of all FT travelers. I fly more in a month than Keyser does in a year. I live on planes. I can write a book about this subject matter and if you perceive my tone as aggressive that's a you problem. Delta made changes that I agree with, and those changes needed to happen. Delta is dictating who deserves status, not me, but I agree with their assessment on who deserves what status and why.
#599
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Danville, CA, USA;
Programs: UA 1MM, WN CP, Marriott LT Plat, Hilton Gold, IC Plat
Posts: 18,110
If flying Delta when it makes the most sense and gets me to where I need to go in the most comfort, and that resulting in me reaching Diamond, is "sticking with DL," then "sticking with DL" may make sense for me and a lot of people. Regardless of all of this, Delta still has a route network and asset network (planes, clubs, etc) that will make sense for a lot of passengers. Passengers flying Delta in that situation will want to know how their flying will accrue miles and elite credit.
Are people suggesting that all passengers avoid flying Delta at all costs?
Are people suggesting that all passengers avoid flying Delta at all costs?
But for those who have a real choice of carriers (all else being equal) skypesos are a significant minus due to poor value compared to the alternatives. In addition, DL flyers are now finding that the elite perks may be reduced (because their status levels will tank in 2025), which may (or many not) be a huge minus compared to the competition.
For me its an easy choice because I live near a UA hub. But the fact that UA offers better elite perks, better pricing (when you factor free C+/E+) and miles I can actually use, means that it makes NO sense for me - and many others in the bay area - to buy paid travel on DL. Unless corp contracts, fare or routing dictate DL.
I fly more in a month than Keyser does in a year. I live on planes. I can write a book about this subject matter and if you perceive my tone as aggressive that's a you problem. Delta made changes that I agree with, and those changes needed to happen. Delta is dictating who deserves status, not me, but I agree with their assessment on who deserves what status and why.
I fully expect the remaining DL elites will see better upgrade % and elimination of lines at the DL clubs. I also fully expect Amex revenue from DL cardholders to tank, but I've been wrong about that before. In my area I still see many people using Southwest and United cards which have far inferior ROI to other options. But maybe 1% of the population knows enough to understand how the game should be played.
Last edited by Boraxo; Oct 10, 2023 at 12:15 pm
#600




Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: NYC/LA
Programs: DL DM, UA Silver, Marriott Titanium/LTP, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 9,815
You know what's really important to the biz travelers? Schedule/frequency. No way DL can fill planes in high frequency markets by just catering to the "premium" crowd.



