"Turbulence" resulting in no in-flight service
#16
Join Date: Jan 2019
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I imagine that if the captain requests that the flight attendants remain seated or suspend service due to forecasted turbulence, they have no choice but to follow captains orders. Even if the turbulence never actually materializes, it's probably better to err on the side of caution in these situations. Having people getting injured over soft drinks doesn't seem worth it.
EDIT: Apparently I didn't read OP's post thoroughly. Strange that the captain announced a smooth flight while FA's said turbulence is expected. Definitely something fishy going on there.
EDIT: Apparently I didn't read OP's post thoroughly. Strange that the captain announced a smooth flight while FA's said turbulence is expected. Definitely something fishy going on there.
#18
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Can’t begin to tell you how many times Delta FA’s on flights from ATL have blamed “turbulence” or “weather,” but rather it was their sheer laziness to get a beverage service knocked out… particularly ATL-MCO, ATL-FLL, ATL-TPA!!
#19
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Had this happen last week where the FA announced that because of turbulence, only the F cabin would receive service. So it was ok to deliver a few drinks by hand but not ok to roll the cart down the aisle.
#20
Join Date: Oct 2019
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Besides that, those carts are extremely heavy and can be quite the hazard in turbulence, both for the passengers and F/As.
#21
Join Date: Apr 2016
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I’ll just say this, while there are certainly examples of, to put it kindly, “unmotivated” crews, I believe much of this is driven my management and liability reasons. There has been a rather drastic increase of turbulence related injuries over the years and management has made it an emphasis to reduce them. I do believe this has created an environment that tends to lean on the side of conservatism, from all involved. Part of this is driven by the weather app that the pilots have used for the past handful of years. The predicted turbulence based on environmental conditions and actual reports from other aircraft used in the app can be quite frankly hit or miss. It’s accurate enough that you almost have to always follow it, but inaccurate enough that it often gives a false picture. The problem is, if pilots don’t follow the app and an injury has occurred, much of the blame falls on them, thus it’s easy to see why they are conservative about it.
#22
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Has anyone else noticed an increase in the amount of flights that FAs decide to waive cabin service due to "rough air"? It was especially noticeable on my past two RTs, both within the last couple of weeks (ATL-LGA; ATL-MSY). On all four flights, FAs either provided no service at all or only offered water, despite there being very minimal turbulence for a just a few minutes of the flight, most of it coming during initial ascent when there is obviously no service anyways. Yesterday, on my MSY-ATL flight, the FAs came on to announce that there would be no service at all due to expected turbulence, and about 2 minutes later, the captain came on and said we should all expect a smooth flight and turned off the seatbelt sign! I know there is not much to be had from Coach or C+ service anyways, but sometimes I am looking forward to having a few Goldfish and washing them down with a Woodford.
#23
Join Date: Oct 2019
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When one of my friends worked for a regional carrier (not a carrier that flies for DL) this was a common discussion and FA's would put a lot of pressure on him to say there would be turbulence so no cabin service. Not surprised this has spread.
The national weather service has an "aviation weather" map. It shows reported turbulence/wind shear and the severity and height it was reported at. I have had enough lazy FA's that use the turbulence excuse, I always look up the map before the flight. It can also be helpful to show this to the FA in certain situations as well...one flight I encouraged the FA to discontinue service after seeing the map and another flight I showed the FA the map so she could calm a nervous flier a few rows ahead of me that after the bumps on the climb, it would be a very smooth remainder of the flight.
The national weather service has an "aviation weather" map. It shows reported turbulence/wind shear and the severity and height it was reported at. I have had enough lazy FA's that use the turbulence excuse, I always look up the map before the flight. It can also be helpful to show this to the FA in certain situations as well...one flight I encouraged the FA to discontinue service after seeing the map and another flight I showed the FA the map so she could calm a nervous flier a few rows ahead of me that after the bumps on the climb, it would be a very smooth remainder of the flight.
#24
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I have a friend who is a 30-year seniority Captain at a ULCC (though half the Atlantic City base still is senior) whose pet peeve is flight attendants making announcements he thinks of as over the top or customer-unfriendly. As soon as he hears a scolding starting over the PA over someone got up to get something from overhead or had to go to the bathroom with seatbelt sign still on, he takes the opportunity to flip the sign off mid-way through their announcement and start his own. He will do the same if they start making "no service" announcements on short flights. I mean, come on, on like FLL-MCO with 5 flight attendants and everything for sale you know sales won't be so high they can't at least walk the cabin with a menu asking if anybody wants anything, if even to take to-go. However, they did have to stop making the so-called "Roadie" announcement advertising that their liquor combos were cheaper than a hotel minibar or many hotel lobbies so before landing buy one for the road.
#25
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And this morning: https://www.paddleyourownkanoo.com/2...re-turbulence/
#27
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Meanwhile, I'll get a 3-course meal on a regional Asia flight out of Tokyo on NH. Of course, this has always been the case.
#28
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Back at Midwest Express we used to serve a hot plated breakfast to the entire plane between Milwaukee and Omaha or Kansas City... both were sub one hour. When we outsourced some of the RJ/Connect flying to Skywest on the CRJs, the Skywest flight attendants hated it and did not want to be MKE based (I think most who operated were actually ORD based and limo'd up). We made them bake and serve cookies as well as do a beverage service (sometimes just water, coffee, juice, milk) on like Milwaukee to Appleton or Grand Rapids. Lot of hustle for a 20 minute usable time in the air.
#29
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Yep. Recently had an ATL-BWI trip where the seat belt sign was off the whole trip (for good reason, hint) and at the end the FAs apologized for no drink service due to unexpected turbulence. They even ignored the FA call light for 10-15 minutes as they walked past several times. Ultimately I had 2,500 miles in my account before I even made it to baggage claim, but would probably have rather had a drink of water.
#30
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Yep. Recently had an ATL-BWI trip where the seat belt sign was off the whole trip (for good reason, hint) and at the end the FAs apologized for no drink service due to unexpected turbulence. They even ignored the FA call light for 10-15 minutes as they walked past several times. Ultimately I had 2,500 miles in my account before I even made it to baggage claim, but would probably have rather had a drink of water.