It's one or the other. It's not "laziness" to meet expectations. Giving a client more than they paid for is a great way to go broke.

Let's see...

Paying customer in first class....

Employee....

The FA should be expected to clean it up.

why not the pilot? They are employees too. Or is it a gender thing?

When airlines decide to cut costs and labor heads by cutting back on cleaning during turns, the customer service suffers. Instead of expecting the females employees to do it because I’m the customer, I clean it myself and express my dissatisfaction to the company in surveys and notes and ultimately where I decide to give my business.

I would never assume it’s the flight attendant’s job to clean where the cleaning crew missed. But that’s me. I’m gonna clean my area anyway.

Because pilots fly the plane. FA's work in the cabin.

Also, there are plenty of male FA's so don't pull the politically correct garbage -- nobody wants to read it.

well, you don’t want to read it but the attitude that you paid for first class so the help should clean up your space because you paid cash sounded pretty much like garbage as well.

it’s not their job simply because they are on this side of the door. Lol.

In keeping with the thread title "Name that Stain". It would help if the pic was wider showing other features. There is something odd about the flow. If the stain was created on a near vertical surface and of a thin liquid the path of the drops should be mostly vertical and not off to the side before turning. Is it possible that the seat feature was not vertical when the stain occured? If so the liquid could have originated from another surface not visible in the picture and/or the seat position was changed while the liquid was still flowing.

If the latter it could be a "coke" product from a plastic cup in a seat pocket and a simple taste would have confirmed.it

:o :confused: :rolleyes: I for one wouldn’t taste anything spilled on an airline seat, even if I had spilled it

Not taking sides. Looks like adhesive or glue of some kind to me though.

What did it taste like?


Frankly, not that uncommon. We've all heard the horror stories of urine soaked seat cushions. Last year I found a lightly used sick bag (that appeared unused) in my seat pocket, though I didn't realize it was used until I'd put my hand in it...

Here's what the space between the J seat and fuselage on an AA A330 looked like on a flight last year.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...17ab4bb5_h.jpg

But what does that have to do with gender. You just inferred that the assumption is that pilots are males and FAs are females. The irony is too strong here.

I thought it thread was about the mess on planes, and not the gender thing.

enough with the politically correct stuff.... both men and women work in the same fields and both can hold the same jobs.
I am yet to see jobs that are gender specific. (heck I could be wrong)
now that over.. time for me to go get my coffee...

If you read carefully, I didn't infer, I asked.

Its not a gender thing. But the poster said that the FA should clean it up because they were an EMPLOYEE and the passenger was a CUSTOMER.

So, I simply asked why not ANY EMPLOYEE, if you are going to operate on the assumption that EMPLOYEES should always clean up after CUSTOMERS, why not the pilot?

Sorry to muddle the discussion with gender. It just seemed like an odd distinction the poster was making. Not sure where the irony was.

This mentality is incomprehensible to me. When you enter a hotel, do you request an uncleaned room to check in to? If they gave you an uncleaned room, and you went to complain, and they gave you some paper towels and said sorry, would you clean it yourself?

What other businesses expect customers to clean the interiors of their locations? What other customers expect that they should clean the interiors of businesses?

And no, the captain and FO should not be cleaning the cabin, except perhaps after a flight on the ground. They have much more important things to do on the flight deck to prepare for the flight and monitor safety.

lol at this stuff, come on, this isn't the riddle of the sphinx here.

All sorts of odious people have figured out that they can fool the simpletons with this plausible deniability baloney, but the fact is that lots of people aren't dullards and can put two and two together.

I think we all agree the area should be clean. But, in your hotel example, do you insist the front desk clean the room because they are the first employee you see? Should the passenger had insisted the cleaning crew come back? I just don't know what you do in this case. The plane is dirty, it wasn't cleaned. The airline skimped on cleaning crews during turn arounds. Do you demand the plane be held until the airline version of housekeeping returns? Do you demand the first employee you see clean it up? Or the gate agent, pilot, baggage loaders? Or do you do it yourself and make a note to express your displeasure and maybe move your dollars somewhere else?