Delta exiting NRT, ending NRT-SIN and moving MNL flight to ICN
Aug 18, 2019, 10:53 pm
#391
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Thanks. I'll be happy if I can just get to NRT for my connection, whether or not I make history, but that would be kinda cool.
Aug 19, 2019, 8:17 am
#392
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Don't think it has anything to do with money, more so than they just happened to be one of the two cities that don't originate from the US. So, if you need to get to SIN, you can always route via ICN. My guess is that once more A330-900s come to DL property, they can think about LAX/SEA-SIN (one not both) in the future.
Aug 19, 2019, 8:20 am
#393
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Having frequented Japan for decades, I am always at a loss to explain this flyertalk fascination about NW's "good name" in Japan! Perhaps up until the 1980s this meant something, however with the inferior aircraft that NW flew, and continued flying, the only plus was that NW often offered a lot of cheap consolidator deals to travel agents, that is about it. Aircraft have changed, patterns have changed. Wake island was also an incredibly important hub in the flying boat days...... Things change..... Up until a decade ago a NRT hub worked, not anymore, same as FRA, CDG or LHR, which are other cities that I can recall in recent memory had fifth freedom hub allowances for US carriers.....
Besides, it doesn’t matter. Though some isolated routes remain, I can’t think of a single fifth freedom hub that has survived. JV partnerships have made them entirely uncompetitive. It has absolutely nothing to do with not understanding the market or loss of loyalty or anything else. It is simply the case that the aviation industry has fundamentally changed.
Aug 20, 2019, 9:20 pm
#394
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Just flew SEA-NRT and SIN-NRT-SEA.
Few observations.
Change to HND would be welcome for Tokyo bound pax. Not having to spend 1 hour on Narita Express and then figuring out how to get reserved seats on your return ticket is a huge plus (which ended up being not necessary but they do not tell you).
SIN-NRT is a sad loss, but timing is horrible, 5:45am! I understand that it's timed for connections but 6:45 would work just as well for most. Delta required to check your bag 1 hour prior, which is not really necessary in SIN. I checked in around 4:35am and was probably last one. Many grumpy sleepy pax on the plane.
Without SIN-NRT and new timing of ICN-SEA there is just no good 1-stop option from SIN to SEA. 11am Korean SIN-ICN used to connect with DL metal ICN-SEA but not with new timing on 330neo, which is pushed to 6:20pm instead of 7:20pm. KE metal ICN-SEA leaves even earlier. It would be great to have 7am-8am SIN-ICN departure on KE (or DL) but there is none.
So much for SEA Asian hub if you can not even fly SIN-XXX-SEA with a reasonable connection. I am just taking SQ next time.
Few observations.
Change to HND would be welcome for Tokyo bound pax. Not having to spend 1 hour on Narita Express and then figuring out how to get reserved seats on your return ticket is a huge plus (which ended up being not necessary but they do not tell you).
SIN-NRT is a sad loss, but timing is horrible, 5:45am! I understand that it's timed for connections but 6:45 would work just as well for most. Delta required to check your bag 1 hour prior, which is not really necessary in SIN. I checked in around 4:35am and was probably last one. Many grumpy sleepy pax on the plane.
Without SIN-NRT and new timing of ICN-SEA there is just no good 1-stop option from SIN to SEA. 11am Korean SIN-ICN used to connect with DL metal ICN-SEA but not with new timing on 330neo, which is pushed to 6:20pm instead of 7:20pm. KE metal ICN-SEA leaves even earlier. It would be great to have 7am-8am SIN-ICN departure on KE (or DL) but there is none.
So much for SEA Asian hub if you can not even fly SIN-XXX-SEA with a reasonable connection. I am just taking SQ next time.
Last edited by AntonS; Aug 20, 2019 at 9:35 pm
Aug 21, 2019, 12:10 am
#395
Join Date: May 2016
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Just flew SEA-NRT and SIN-NRT-SEA.
Few observations.
Change to HND would be welcome for Tokyo bound pax. Not having to spend 1 hour on Narita Express and then figuring out how to get reserved seats on your return ticket is a huge plus (which ended up being not necessary but they do not tell you).
SIN-NRT is a sad loss, but timing is horrible, 5:45am! I understand that it's timed for connections but 6:45 would work just as well for most. Delta required to check your bag 1 hour prior, which is not really necessary in SIN. I checked in around 4:35am and was probably last one. Many grumpy sleepy pax on the plane.
Without SIN-NRT and new timing of ICN-SEA there is just no good 1-stop option from SIN to SEA. 11am Korean SIN-ICN used to connect with DL metal ICN-SEA but not with new timing on 330neo, which is pushed to 6:20pm instead of 7:20pm. KE metal ICN-SEA leaves even earlier. It would be great to have 7am-8am SIN-ICN departure on KE (or DL) but there is none.
So much for SEA Asian hub if you can not even fly SIN-XXX-SEA with a reasonable connection. I am just taking SQ next time.
Few observations.
Change to HND would be welcome for Tokyo bound pax. Not having to spend 1 hour on Narita Express and then figuring out how to get reserved seats on your return ticket is a huge plus (which ended up being not necessary but they do not tell you).
SIN-NRT is a sad loss, but timing is horrible, 5:45am! I understand that it's timed for connections but 6:45 would work just as well for most. Delta required to check your bag 1 hour prior, which is not really necessary in SIN. I checked in around 4:35am and was probably last one. Many grumpy sleepy pax on the plane.
Without SIN-NRT and new timing of ICN-SEA there is just no good 1-stop option from SIN to SEA. 11am Korean SIN-ICN used to connect with DL metal ICN-SEA but not with new timing on 330neo, which is pushed to 6:20pm instead of 7:20pm. KE metal ICN-SEA leaves even earlier. It would be great to have 7am-8am SIN-ICN departure on KE (or DL) but there is none.
So much for SEA Asian hub if you can not even fly SIN-XXX-SEA with a reasonable connection. I am just taking SQ next time.
Aug 21, 2019, 12:07 pm
#396
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Aug 21, 2019, 2:42 pm
#397
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Without SIN-NRT and new timing of ICN-SEA there is just no good 1-stop option from SIN to SEA. 11am Korean SIN-ICN used to connect with DL metal ICN-SEA but not with new timing on 330neo, which is pushed to 6:20pm instead of 7:20pm. KE metal ICN-SEA leaves even earlier. It would be great to have 7am-8am SIN-ICN departure on KE (or DL) but there is none.
Aug 21, 2019, 3:25 pm
#398
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Looking in the Spring (which is when SIN-NRT ends) there's a pretty convenient SIN-ICN-SEA. This is about the shortest possible travel time between SIN and SEA without having a nonstop. Personally, I'd prefer a bit more time on the ground, but if DL is trying to compete with a non-stop on that route, I guess they feel like they need to make the connection be quick.
Aug 21, 2019, 4:54 pm
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Aug 21, 2019, 7:11 pm
#400
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Just flew SEA-NRT and SIN-NRT-SEA.
Few observations.
Change to HND would be welcome for Tokyo bound pax. Not having to spend 1 hour on Narita Express and then figuring out how to get reserved seats on your return ticket is a huge plus (which ended up being not necessary but they do not tell you).
SIN-NRT is a sad loss, but timing is horrible, 5:45am! I understand that it's timed for connections but 6:45 would work just as well for most. Delta required to check your bag 1 hour prior, which is not really necessary in SIN. I checked in around 4:35am and was probably last one. Many grumpy sleepy pax on the plane.
Without SIN-NRT and new timing of ICN-SEA there is just no good 1-stop option from SIN to SEA. 11am Korean SIN-ICN used to connect with DL metal ICN-SEA but not with new timing on 330neo, which is pushed to 6:20pm instead of 7:20pm. KE metal ICN-SEA leaves even earlier. It would be great to have 7am-8am SIN-ICN departure on KE (or DL) but there is none.
So much for SEA Asian hub if you can not even fly SIN-XXX-SEA with a reasonable connection. I am just taking SQ next time.
Few observations.
Change to HND would be welcome for Tokyo bound pax. Not having to spend 1 hour on Narita Express and then figuring out how to get reserved seats on your return ticket is a huge plus (which ended up being not necessary but they do not tell you).
SIN-NRT is a sad loss, but timing is horrible, 5:45am! I understand that it's timed for connections but 6:45 would work just as well for most. Delta required to check your bag 1 hour prior, which is not really necessary in SIN. I checked in around 4:35am and was probably last one. Many grumpy sleepy pax on the plane.
Without SIN-NRT and new timing of ICN-SEA there is just no good 1-stop option from SIN to SEA. 11am Korean SIN-ICN used to connect with DL metal ICN-SEA but not with new timing on 330neo, which is pushed to 6:20pm instead of 7:20pm. KE metal ICN-SEA leaves even earlier. It would be great to have 7am-8am SIN-ICN departure on KE (or DL) but there is none.
So much for SEA Asian hub if you can not even fly SIN-XXX-SEA with a reasonable connection. I am just taking SQ next time.
Aug 21, 2019, 7:56 pm
#402
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There are plenty of people who have made that connection that consider it quite reasonable. The MU/PVG hate is way overstated, and quite unreasonable. I've connected there 6 times in the past 1.5 yrs, and did not have one issue, and that was going from MU->DL and MU->MU.The only negative I remember is when the armrest fell off my seat in J, but that was on a DL 77L PVG-LAX.
Aug 21, 2019, 10:06 pm
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Aug 22, 2019, 1:15 am
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