Delta Bans Puppies and Kittens as Service/Support Animals
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I think the justice dept (ie courts) is the final arbiter. However as defined below an "emotional support animal" or "pysch service dog" to be labeled a service dog by the ACAA must be trained. And unlike the ADA rules, the airline can apparently ask where and what and request documentation of what the training was. This will eliminate
Under the Air Carrier Access Act (ACAA) a service animal is any animal that is individually trained to provide assistance to a person with a disability.. Documentation may be required of passengers needing to travel with an emotional support or psychiatric service animal.
This is going to make it much harder for folks with legitimate ESAs and hopefully eliminate the pets. By their new rules, for an ESA/psych service animal, American will now require the paper work > 48 hours and they will call the doc and then they will decide if true need. Also the 8 hour maximum flight eliminates a lot of international (ef ATL to Paris is 8 hours and 15 min)
Under the Air Carrier Access Act (ACAA) a service animal is any animal that is individually trained to provide assistance to a person with a disability.. Documentation may be required of passengers needing to travel with an emotional support or psychiatric service animal.
This is going to make it much harder for folks with legitimate ESAs and hopefully eliminate the pets. By their new rules, for an ESA/psych service animal, American will now require the paper work > 48 hours and they will call the doc and then they will decide if true need. Also the 8 hour maximum flight eliminates a lot of international (ef ATL to Paris is 8 hours and 15 min)
the purview of the DOT.
The rules as currently written already accoubt for flight over 8 hours. Also unless I'm mistaken there is no allowance that allows them a 48 hr advance nptice, or allows them to verify each one.
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You are correct for a mental disability (I think that is how it is written). But it does not say that the airline cannot verify that and states that they can require verification. American is complying with the law by requiring the documentation 48 hours before so that they can verify. Then their discussion with the doc decides if it is a mental disability. "I miss my puppy" when I am away is not in the definition of mental disability. And the big block is "trained to support that disability"
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You are correct for a mental disability (I think that is how it is written). But it does not say that the airline cannot verify that and states that they can require verification. American is complying with the law by requiring the documentation 48 hours before so that they can verify. Then their discussion with the doc decides if it is a mental disability. "I miss my puppy" when I am away is not in the definition of mental disability. And the big block is "trained to support that disability"
Regardless, I thought they could only require verification if they had reason to doubt it was real.
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IMO every animal that isn't obviously being used by a blind person as a seeing eye dog gives me reason to doubt that any service animal or ESA claim is real, although I admit that some are much more obviously not real than others. Distrust and verify.
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MSP: you must be from Europe as that is the rule here. The dog has to be a seeing eye or hearing dog. But FlyingCo if you read American's rules for an ESA / PSA, they will call the doc to verify it meets "their" criteria. In my discussion with them (I have PTST from Viet Nam) - if you have diagnosed PTST with anxiety/depression/etc they will allow. If just "my puppy" they won't. Also gets the doc "off the hook" as if you read doc forums, must don't want to write ESA but are afraid if they don't patient will go elsewhere
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Not from Europe, I've just lived there at times. It's interesting that in many European countries, including France and Germany, it's always been common for people to take their pet dogs into even very good restaurants. In fact, I once witnessed a dog fight in the middle of dinner at a Michelin three star restaurant that catered to dogs by serving them Perrier in sterling silver bowls.
To me, the PTSD dogs, hearing assistance dogs, epilepsy/diabetes problem detection dogs, dogs that fetch items for people in wheelchairs, and even the miniature horses that provide stability and support for those who otherwise would have great difficulty walking are very very different from the garden variety untrained pets pretending (even with documentation) to be ESAs, yet often it isn't obvious that such genuine assistance animals are more than extremely well behaved pets. Few people would have pets if the pet didn't provide some measure of support and companionship and I suspect that most people arguably have some form of a mild psychological disorder as I've never heard of a therapist refusing to see someone on the grounds that the person doesn't need or wouldn't benefit somewhat from some therapy.
To me, the PTSD dogs, hearing assistance dogs, epilepsy/diabetes problem detection dogs, dogs that fetch items for people in wheelchairs, and even the miniature horses that provide stability and support for those who otherwise would have great difficulty walking are very very different from the garden variety untrained pets pretending (even with documentation) to be ESAs, yet often it isn't obvious that such genuine assistance animals are more than extremely well behaved pets. Few people would have pets if the pet didn't provide some measure of support and companionship and I suspect that most people arguably have some form of a mild psychological disorder as I've never heard of a therapist refusing to see someone on the grounds that the person doesn't need or wouldn't benefit somewhat from some therapy.
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MSP: you must be from Europe as that is the rule here. The dog has to be a seeing eye or hearing dog. But FlyingCo if you read American's rules for an ESA / PSA, they will call the doc to verify it meets "their" criteria. In my discussion with them (I have PTST from Viet Nam) - if you have diagnosed PTST with anxiety/depression/etc they will allow. If just "my puppy" they won't. Also gets the doc "off the hook" as if you read doc forums, must don't want to write ESA but are afraid if they don't patient will go elsewhere
What kind of documentation can be required of persons travelling with emotional support animals and psychiatric service animals?
- Airlines may require documentation that is not older than one year from the date of your scheduled initial flight that states:
- You have a mental or emotional disability that is recognized in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM);
- You need your emotional support or psychiatric support animal as an accommodation for air travel and/or for activity at your destination;
- The individual providing the assessment is a licensed mental health professional and the passenger is under his/her professional care; and
- The licensed health care professional’s;
- Date and type of professional license; and
- Jurisdiction or state in which their license was issued.
They don't get to talk to the doctor. All the letter must state is that you have a qualifying condition (not what it is), you need the animal, that you are under their care, and their legal license type/jurisdiction of issue. Anything more than that can't be required.
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.....and anyone can easily buy such documents over the internet, perhaps by answering a few questions online and/or having a quick phone call with some "licensed professional" specializing in this.
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This has been covered billions of times, but animals aren't "pretending to be ESAs." There's literally zero difference between a "fake ESA" and a real one because there isn't any qualification for the animal. The qualification (and documentation) is for the human, not the animal.
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From the DOT. DOT website on ESA/Service animals
What kind of documentation can be required of persons travelling with emotional support animals and psychiatric service animals?
What kind of documentation can be required of persons travelling with emotional support animals and psychiatric service animals?
- Airlines may require documentation that is not older than one year from the date of your scheduled initial flight that states:.
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From the DOT. DOT website on ESA/Service animals
They don't get to talk to the doctor. All the letter must state is that you have a qualifying condition (not what it is), you need the animal, that you are under their care, and their legal license type/jurisdiction of issue. Anything more than that can't be required.
They don't get to talk to the doctor. All the letter must state is that you have a qualifying condition (not what it is), you need the animal, that you are under their care, and their legal license type/jurisdiction of issue. Anything more than that can't be required.
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To travel with an emotional support and psychiatric service animal in the cabin, you must contact the Special Assistance Desk with all required documentation at least 48 hours before your flight.Documentation validation will include American Airlines contacting your mental health professionalhttps://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?...earchpulse_net
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ps I guess American's lawyers disagree with you
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?...earchpulse_net
Advance notice required
To travel with an emotional support and psychiatric service animal in the cabin, you must contact the Special Assistance Desk with all required documentation at least 48 hours before your flight.Documentation validation will include American Airlines contacting your mental health professionalhttps://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?...earchpulse_net
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Why would you be entitled to know someone else's private health information?
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I'm not saying that I want to see anyone's private information, but if I see an animal on board, unless it's a seeing eye dog, the odds are that it's a fake ESA even though it might be wearing a (fake) service animal vest. I'll believe what I want about these animals, based on "preponderance of evidence" if you wish.
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