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Initial route list adapted from the Delta news hub:

Market (In-Service)
  • New York-LGA to Boston-BOS...Feb 7 2019.
  • New York-LGA to Dallas/Ft. Worth-DFW*...Feb 7 2019.
  • Detroit-DTW to Dallas/Ft. Worth-DFW**...Feb 14 2019.
  • New York-LGA to Houston-IAH*...April 2019.
  • Salt Lake City-SLC to Dallas/Ft. Worth-DFW...May 2019.
  • Salt Lake City-SLC to San Jose-SJC...May 2019
  • San Jose-SJC to Seattle-SEA...June 8 2019 (2/6 flights daily).
  • Minneapolis/St. Paul-MSP to Dallas/Ft. Worth-DFW...June 2019.
  • Houston-IAH to Detroit-DTW & Minneapolis/St. Paul-MSP...July 2019.
  • Houston-IAH to Salt Lake City-SLC*...July 2019.
  • New York-JFK to Dallas/Ft. Worth-DFW*...Aug 2019.
*Denotes route that will eventually be fully operated by A220.

For those interested in the original DL order and subsequent news, here is the original thread: Delta Orders 75 CS100's.

A220-100 orders, deliveries and entry into service dates:


MSN 50020 8101 N101DU Delivered Oct 26 2018. Entered service Feb 14 2019 DFW>DTW.
MSN 50021 8102 N102DU Delivered Dec 18 2018. Entered service Feb 7 2019 LGA>BOS.
MSN 50022 8103 N103DU Delivered Dec 8 2018. Entered service Feb 7 2019 DFW>LGA.
MSN 50023 8104 N104DU Delivered Dec 31 2018. Entered service Feb 7 2019 LGA>DFW.
MSN 50024 8105 N105DU Delivered Feb 16 2019. Entered service Feb 23 2019 LGA>DFW.
MSN 50025 8106 N106DU Delivered Feb 22 2019. Entered service March 9 2019 DTW>DFW.
MSN 50026 8107 N107DU Delivered March 1 2019. Entered service April 7 2019 DFW>LGA.
MSN 50027 8108 N108DQ Delivered April 26 2019. Entered service May 3 2019 DFW>DTW.
MSN 50028 8109 N109DU Delivered March 13 2019. Entered service March 22 2019 DFW>DTW.
MSN 50029 8110 N110DU Delivered March 29 2019. Entered service April 9 2019 2019 DTW>DFW.
MSN 50030 8111 N111NG Delivered June 6 2019. Entered service June 14 2019 DTW>DFW.
MSN 50031 8112 N112DU Delivered April 18 2019. Entered service May 1 2019 DFW>SLC.
MSN 50032 8113 N113DQ Delivered May 20 2019. Entered service May 25 2019 DFW>SLC.
MSN 50033 8114 N114DU Delivered May 30 2019; Entered service June 7 2019 DTW>DFW
MSN 50034 8115 N115DU Delivered June 18 2019; Entered service June 27 2019 DTW>DFW
MSN 50035 8116 N116DU Delivered June 21 2019; Entered service June 28 2019 MSP>DFW.
MSN 50036 8117 N117DU Delivered June 25 2019; Entered service July 5 2019 DFW>SLC.
MSN 50037 8118 N118DU Delivered June 28 2019; Entered service July 11 2019 SLC>DFW.
MSN 50038 8119 N119DU Delivered July 12 2019; Entered service July 22 2019 DFW>LGA.
MSN 50039 8120 N120DU Delivered July 25 2019; Entered service Aug 1 2019 DTW>EWR.
MSN 50040 8121 N121DU Delivered August 9 2019; Entered service August 20 2019 DFW>DTW.
MSN 50041 8122 N122DU On order.
MSN 50042 8123 N123DQ On order.
MSN 50043 8124 N124DU On order.
MSN 50044 8125 N125DU On order.
MSN 50045 8126 N126DU On order.
MSN 50046 8127 N127DU On order.
MSN 50047 8128 N128DU On order.
MSN 50048 8129 N129DU On order.
MSN 50049 8130 N130DU On order.
MSN 50050 8131 N131DU On order.
MSN 50051 8132 N132DU On order.

A220-300 orders:

MSN 55069 8301 N
MSN 55070 8302 N
MSN 55075 8303 N
MSN 55080 8304 N
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Old Jul 12, 19, 9:55 pm
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SEA-SFO has the A220 scheduled!! I'm booked in October!
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Old Jul 13, 19, 9:02 am
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Aircraft swaps?

I fly A220 routes a lot, and now have had swaps for a B717 and A320. And seeing E170s back on routes for future bookings that were being fully serviced by A220.

Is the fleet tight in terms of routes being covered (deliveries slower) and Delta is spreading it out? Or are some planes being taken out of service for repairs. Iíve also had four (long) mechanical delays since the A220 has entered service.
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Old Jul 13, 19, 1:14 pm
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Originally Posted by nyc_eagles View Post
I fly A220 routes a lot, and now have had swaps for a B717 and A320. And seeing E170s back on routes for future bookings that were being fully serviced by A220.

Is the fleet tight in terms of routes being covered (deliveries slower) and Delta is spreading it out? Or are some planes being taken out of service for repairs. Iíve also had four (long) mechanical delays since the A220 has entered service.
DL loves to tinker with plane assignments in general. And it's a complicated puzzle cause the plane rarely just goes back and forth between 2 cities, it flies a whole bunch of routes in a single day.

The A220s have had growing pains, but that is somewhat common with a new fleet type. The mechanical problems should taper off hopefully.

I believe deliveries are on schedule, but I'm not certain
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Old Jul 13, 19, 2:05 pm
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I'm on one of these now in First Class, and aside from the new plane smell I'm not impressed. First world problems I know but if you're in an aisle seat a normal laptop bag won't fit underneath the seat in front of you. The bulkhead row looks painfully uncomfortable with worse leg room than Comfort Plus, maybe even Economy. Thankfully I'm not sitting in one of them.
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Old Jul 13, 19, 10:58 pm
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Originally Posted by 18sas View Post
I'm on one of these now in First Class, and aside from the new plane smell I'm not impressed. First world problems I know but if you're in an aisle seat a normal laptop bag won't fit underneath the seat in front of you. The bulkhead row looks painfully uncomfortable with worse leg room than Comfort Plus, maybe even Economy. Thankfully I'm not sitting in one of them.
I would say not being able to place a laptop bag under the seat is actually a serious design flaw, especially if itís for all aisle seats (in addition to bulkhead seats which always have that limitation).
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Old Jul 14, 19, 12:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Air Houston View Post


I would say not being able to place a laptop bag under the seat is actually a serious design flaw, especially if itís for all aisle seats (in addition to bulkhead seats which always have that limitation).
It really is, though it would be worse for the window seats, as it would make getting your bag from the bin more of an annoyance for you and your seatmate.

The center console between the seats extends downward all the way almost to the floor and the leg is in the middle of the aisle seat, leaving no room on either side to put your bag. The placement of the leg makes it awkward for you feet too, as you have to put one foot on either side with no way to cross them.
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Old Jul 14, 19, 2:05 pm
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I've done one SEA-SJC in C+ and one in F in the last couple of weeks and, while nice, I would say it's not anything hugely special. This might more reflect the high expectations I have in flying a DL mainline flight in general, which I think others on this board might be carrying in their judgement as well.

I had no problem fitting my laptop backpack under the seat, and I was very happy with the size and mechanics of the tray table as I got some work done in both cabins. The wireless internet was fantastic, and the IFE worked very well. The cabin feels light, airy and very "solid" in a way that the older E175s have never been able to do.

The flight attendant in F mentioned that they are still going through a lot of teething problems - he mentioned that it was the first time in his entire A220 experience that the security video had properly played on the IFE, and that there was some other little kinks that were being worked out.

For the 1-5 hour flight, it matches up very well against the A319/320/321, with fewer middle seats, and I would happily tweak my schedules to fly it again compared to a 739 or a 717, but I wouldn't go out of my way for it.
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Old Jul 14, 19, 6:48 pm
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Originally Posted by manacit View Post
I had no problem fitting my laptop backpack under the seat
Were you in an aisle seat? Is your backpack thin?

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The flight attendant in F mentioned that they are still going through a lot of teething problems - he mentioned that it was the first time in his entire A220 experience that the security video had properly played on the IFE, and that there was some other little kinks that were being worked out.
Our safety video didn't work either, so they had to do the old-fashioned demo.
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Old Jul 15, 19, 7:34 am
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Originally Posted by 18sas View Post
Were you in an aisle seat? Is your backpack thin?


Our safety video didn't work either, so they had to do the old-fashioned demo.
Oh the travesty.
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Old Jul 15, 19, 11:20 am
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Oh the travesty.
It was an observation, not a complaint. The person I was quoting mentioned the FA said the safety video never worked. Mine didn't either.
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I doubt that this would be a useful data point, but I recall the safety video working on the inaugural flight.
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Old Jul 16, 19, 6:31 am
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Flew F in one of these birds from DFW to MSP last week. I was very excited for the flight, but was left a bit disappointed. While the IFE was nice, I felt it lacking in User Experience (something that can easily be fixed). Additionally, I found the center console to be rather slim and can only hold 1 drink up top as it isn't very wide. Maneuvering and retrieving a drink in the cup holder (which only fits the slim plastic cups) was awkward.

This particular aircraft made an incredible groan every time it turned while taxiing, as if something wasn't lubricated properly. Flight attendant chimes were going off every 10 seconds for the first 35 minutes of the flight, as well, which was incredibly annoying.

The big window portals were nice and the WiFi was quick, but other than that, I was left less than impressed.
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Old Jul 16, 19, 1:21 pm
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My EWR-MSP 6am A220 flight this morning was cancelled outright at around 1:30am - was surprised to see it when I woke up! Not sure if it was a MX issue or related to the storms in MSP yesterday.
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Gotta remember- DL passed several times on the now-A220 and was perfectly intent on operating second-hand E90... until Bombardier offered a deal so good, Boeing sued. In DL's defense, while their website flags flights operated by the A220, they did little marketing for the aircraft; most of the hoopla, "game changing" portrayal surrounding the aircraft was manufactured by the DL fan boy internet community. And thus while the A220 is a fine aircraft, it will never live up to the reputation created for it. And personally, as somebody who sits in the back way too often, I would've preferred the 2x2 offered by the E90.
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Old Jul 16, 19, 2:41 pm
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Gotta remember- DL passed several times on the now-A220 and was perfectly intent on operating second-hand E90... until Bombardier offered a deal so good, Boeing sued. In DL's defense, while their website flags flights operated by the A220, they did little marketing for the aircraft; most of the hoopla, "game changing" portrayal surrounding the aircraft was manufactured by the DL fan boy internet community. And thus while the A220 is a fine aircraft, it will never live up to the reputation created for it. And personally, as somebody who sits in the back way too often, I would've preferred the 2x2 offered by the E90.
I don't see a whole lot of truth in there. As far as I can tell, DL has marketed the A220 almost as much as they marketed the A350. DL has been very clear that they are planning to use the A220 to fly to competitor hubs and on very competitive routes. It's pretty clear that DL sees this plane as a way to win new customers.

And yes technically it's true that DL didn't buy this plane right at launch, but that's just DL's style. DL rarely buys ANYTHING right at launch, preferring to wait until the kinks have been worked out and the prices have fallen. So for you to try and draw a conclusion about DL's opinion of the plane based on their delay is, at best, disingenuous.
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