Ber2dca

It's kind of a messed up business for sure. "We're bringing in slimline seats to improve legroom" *adds 3 rows of seats*.

But let's face it, whenever anyone mentions the only resolution - government intervention - everyone gets a heart attack.

KDCAflyer

I already often pay higher fares in the form of FC to avoid Y. If government regulation means higher ticket prices, it's basically a wash for me.

A minimum of 31" of pitch (measured by regulators, NOT the airlines) is reasonable. DL and others were making significant profits before the 739s, AA's modded A319s/738s, and soon to be 737MAXs. Squeezing in an extra row or two per plane is just pure greed on the part of the airlines. I'm a supporter of the free market, but we wouldn't tolerate these sorts of practices if it were the electric or gas company. I've always thought the airlines to be closer to utilities anyway.

Jeff767

The A320 series routinely makes fuel stops on the long transcons in winter. At one point there was a joke about jet blue making SLC a hub with all their transcons stopping for gas there in the winter. Delta plans on using 757's and 737-900's on the long winter transcons. The A321 will do more N/S flying. That is one of the reasons for the reduction in seats on JetBlue and Americans A321's dedicated to the long transcons. It was sold as customer service but they have to keep the weight down to make the flights nonstop with acceptable reliability.

DataPlumber

http://www.webmd.com/pain-management...pains-of-age#1

Seeeee ya!

jrl767

money talks

(1) airlines need as much revenue as they can extract from as many butts as possible in as many seats as they can realistically squeeze into their planes

the mix of seats (fleet configurations), the distribution of the fleet around the route network, and the fares in the various inventories on the various flights all go into the Revenue Management number-crunching models

Delta apparently has some very sophisticated models, and Delta management is apparently very happy with the outputs of these models, because the fleet and fare schemes they have chosen to implement continue to keep their bottom line healthy

(2) any passenger with a strong negative opinion of any aspect of this implementation can make their displeasure known, either verbally by communicating with Delta or non-verbally by choosing to contribute to the revenue of another airline

whether Delta will do anything substantive in response to either form of communication is, as always, an open question

all that said, I'm usually a WFBF guy, but I'm in both camps wrt the new 757 configuration: as others have noted, F is only marginally better than the 739 (and that mainly because of boarding via the 2L door), but on the few occasions I book C+ reasonably far in advance, the mini-cabin is really nice

jdrtravel

And there is the problem. Airlines don't "need" as much money as possible. Rather, they are publicly held companies who experience market pressure to operate this way. All the airline really "needs" is enough revenue to pay for it's operating expenses and invest in capital and future growth.

anc-ord772

Is the F cabin on this version of the 757 similar to the now retired DL 767 domestic F cabin? That's the worst domestic F I've ever experienced.

SFO777

OK, I get it now. The DL forum is actually the DL cheerleading forum.

You GS DL apologists embarrass yourselves by becoming all emotional like I just dissed your mommas, which I guess I have. But alas, your momma is not what she used to be. She's now a lot older and just got a cheap facelift... new paint job, IFE and power outlets. Basically, lipstick on a pig.

Just saying. I'll grab the popcorn now.

Grogs

Since most of my flying is for work, and we're required to book into Y barring some kind of medical waiver, I wouldn't at all mind seeing fares raised in exchange for larger seats, more amenities, and fewer fees. Unfortunately, the way thing work if airline A charges $1 more for a flight than airline B then most people will pick airline B. Short of government regulation, I don't ever see that changing and the race to the bottom will continue.

KDCAflyer

That's why I think regulation is necessary.

KDCAflyer

After I've spent several posts bashing it, looks like I have to fly on a 75D in a few months. How is 19F? It's an exit row with no seat in front. Is there a slide or something in the way?

live5

I just don't understand why people come here to complain about Delta. If you had a bad experience, reach out to customer service. There's nothing any of us here can do to help you. We like Delta.

jrl767

I'm pretty sure the slide protrudes more than a few inches into your leg space (where 18F would normally be)

no, it's basically the 739 F cabin ... 20 slimline seats, Row 1 pretty much crammed against the bulkhead ... with the mini C+ cabin (three rows on the left, two rows and a lav on the right) between the 2L door and Row 5 of F

Grogs

Never tried them, but as I understand it, 19A,F have the padding from the emergency exit sticking out and you have to put your legs at an angle. Seems to get reviews from not that bad to terrible on Seatguru.

vincentharris

Sadly that was lunch (and billed as lunch on the ticket) on my flight last week. Option of shrimp orzo or Cuban sandwich. I can concur the Cuban sandwich looks about as good as it tastes. Though that cookie was actually good.