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On 26SEPT17 Delta changed the MQD AMEX exempt requirements. $25,000 only exempts you to Platinum or lower. $250,000 spend needed across ALL the DL AMEX cards you hold (personal and business in your name) for Diamond exemption for 2019 elite year.
If all you are interested in is the discussion starting when the announcement occurred on Tuesday, September 26, 2017, start here.
The Delta announcement is here https://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/skymiles/news-and-updates.html
There are many data points that Delta will allow a one time exception under the 2017 qualification rules if you request this for the 2019 Medallion year.
If all you are interested in is the discussion starting when the announcement occurred on Tuesday, September 26, 2017, start here.
The Delta announcement is here https://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/skymiles/news-and-updates.html
There are many data points that Delta will allow a one time exception under the 2017 qualification rules if you request this for the 2019 Medallion year.
Delta increasing Diamond MQD Waiver to $250,000
#226
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: LAX
Programs: Fallen DL DM (PM) 2MM
Posts: 4,783
I wonder if they will eliminate the waiver for out of US residents and require the MQD as well. In the past it was said that out of country residents were exempt from it because they didn't have easy access to the Am Ex card. If Delta eliminates it for US cardholders it would make sense they would start requiring an MQD for people outside the US or at least diamonds.
Assuming things are as rumored, I'll probably will drop my Delta Amex to the lowest one that earns the PM waiver and try that for a year. No need for Amex MQM boosts and if a good fare comes up on OAL then I'll have the freedom to take advantage of it. Might actually redeem some miles on myself for a change
#227
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: ATL - DL DM/3MM - HH Lifetime Diamond - Marriott Lifetime Plat
Posts: 3,117
Assuming things are as rumored, I'll probably will drop my Delta Amex to the lowest one that earns the PM waiver and try that for a year. No need for Amex MQM boosts and if a good fare comes up on OAL then I'll have the freedom to take advantage of it. Might actually redeem some miles on myself for a change
#228
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: LAX
Programs: Fallen DL DM (PM) 2MM
Posts: 4,783
When this goes through, I'm not sure that trying to obtain PM would even be worth it. As upgrades for a DM have been elusive, I've been buying FC for any routes where I care to sit up front. For Now, as a "Lifetime Gold", I get early boarding so that may be all I care about. As I see it, $300K less AmEx spend and savings of over $1000 a year for membership costs.
I have "annual GM" so that is not too bad a fall back. Plus I have 3 years or so of SkyClub membership once I stop getting it as DM. So I should be good either way.
#229
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Atlanta
Programs: Delta Diamond; HHonors Diamond
Posts: 655
I spent more money on Delta today to buy a ticket rather than taking the lower fare on American. I did so because of my status. Delta has taken care of me in past IROPs, I will earn MQMs toward next year's status, and although I rarely get them, there is the possibility of an upgrade. For the same reasons, I've paid a little extra to fly Delta many, many times over the years as I fly at a Platinum rate but top off to Diamond with my Amex MQM boosts and MQD waiver. In addition to cancelling my Amex cards, I won't overpay for Delta any longer if this change goes through. Why would I?
So in my case, Delta will lose money as a result of this change. I doubt my situation is so rare that this change won't prove to have been misguided, but time will tell.
So in my case, Delta will lose money as a result of this change. I doubt my situation is so rare that this change won't prove to have been misguided, but time will tell.
#231
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Upper Sternistan
Posts: 10,044
Yeah - I was a PM for years and it was fine. I don't think I'll miss DM too much. And I won't be as married to Delta with the lower target. I've been in that situation where I overpay a little or take a worse schedule to fly Delta and get to DM. With the much lower target, I won't have that push.
For sure, all of my intra-California paid flights will be on Southwest if this comes to pass.
For sure, all of my intra-California paid flights will be on Southwest if this comes to pass.
#232
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: ATL - DL DM/3MM - HH Lifetime Diamond - Marriott Lifetime Plat
Posts: 3,117
I spent more money on Delta today to buy a ticket rather than taking the lower fare on American. I did so because of my status. Delta has taken care of me in past IROPs, I will earn MQMs toward next year's status, and although I rarely get them, there is the possibility of an upgrade. For the same reasons, I've paid a little extra to fly Delta many, many times over the years as I fly at a Platinum rate but top off to Diamond with my Amex MQM boosts and MQD waiver. In addition to cancelling my Amex cards, I won't overpay for Delta any longer if this change goes through. Why would I?
So in my case, Delta will lose money as a result of this change. I doubt my situation is so rare that this change won't prove to have been misguided, but time will tell.
So in my case, Delta will lose money as a result of this change. I doubt my situation is so rare that this change won't prove to have been misguided, but time will tell.
#233
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Toledo, OH
Programs: Delta DM & MM, Hilton DM, Marriott gold, Hyatt Globalist, Alaska 75K, Wyndham Diamond,
Posts: 15,399
So if the DL Amex isn't the card with best returns, why do you charge anything more than the minimum required to get the waiver? ie, your ~$180 - $200k of spend should already have moved to other cards.
And let's realize the impact to Amex would be less than is being asserted here, as the waiver will still be effective for FO, GM, and PM, and there are a lot more of those people out there than there are DM. (And the spend requirement doesn't vary by Medallion level, so at most they lose a small number of DMs... certainly not a Costco level disaster.)
Eh, except for SkyClub access (which you can buy for a few hundred), I've found the other benefits effectively the same as a PM.
And let's realize the impact to Amex would be less than is being asserted here, as the waiver will still be effective for FO, GM, and PM, and there are a lot more of those people out there than there are DM. (And the spend requirement doesn't vary by Medallion level, so at most they lose a small number of DMs... certainly not a Costco level disaster.)
Eh, except for SkyClub access (which you can buy for a few hundred), I've found the other benefits effectively the same as a PM.
The benefits for me for DM are a lot better than PM. Being a hub captive that flies to DC, Chicago and NYC a lot the Coterminal benefit is very helpful (although that has been diminished thanks to the SDC policy changes a few years ago). The four GU's are great for international travel. If my upgrade doesn't clear I try for bulkhead in C+ and the prem boarding is nice to be assured bin space and the clear membership is nice.
#234
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Toledo, OH
Programs: Delta DM & MM, Hilton DM, Marriott gold, Hyatt Globalist, Alaska 75K, Wyndham Diamond,
Posts: 15,399
If this does go through maybe they'll help ease the blow for those of us that fly delta a lot but not enough to get the $15MQD and do what American does and give higher priority to those with this highest spend.
I'm really surprised Delta is doing this seeing they use who reached the Am Ex mileage waiver first as one of the tie breakers for upgrades and just introduced that in the past year and now they are taking away the MQD waiver from diamonds
I'm really surprised Delta is doing this seeing they use who reached the Am Ex mileage waiver first as one of the tie breakers for upgrades and just introduced that in the past year and now they are taking away the MQD waiver from diamonds
#235
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Programs: Delta Diamond, Marriott Ambassador & Lifetime Titanium, Hertz President's Circle, United Silver
Posts: 6,334
On flights to Hawaii, the Caribbean, Canada and Latin America, probably good.
Domestically, a crab shoot. Even as a three-year diamond, I seldom get upgrades through Atlanta to Washington-Reagan (Dulles is easier). I know golds who regularly get upgrades out of Baltimore.
I don't assume that I'll get an upgrade -- even out of Detroit -- to Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle or Portland. I'll pay for first-class -- sometimes with cash, other times using pay-for-miles -- or use a regional upgrade certificate. I only really care about first-class when there's a meal.
Domestically, a crab shoot. Even as a three-year diamond, I seldom get upgrades through Atlanta to Washington-Reagan (Dulles is easier). I know golds who regularly get upgrades out of Baltimore.
I don't assume that I'll get an upgrade -- even out of Detroit -- to Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle or Portland. I'll pay for first-class -- sometimes with cash, other times using pay-for-miles -- or use a regional upgrade certificate. I only really care about first-class when there's a meal.
Last edited by hockeyinsider; Jul 18, 2017 at 7:34 pm
#236
Moderator: Hyatt; FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: WAS
Programs: :rolleyes:, DL DM, Mlife Plat, Caesars Diam, Marriott Tit, UA Gold, Hyatt Glob, invol FT beta tester
Posts: 18,933
3-year vs. 1-year DM doesn't make a difference in upgrade priority.
Concur that BWI<->hub is relatively easier than hub<->west coast.
#237
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: DFW or Somewhere Else
Programs: UA Plt /Delta DM/ Marriott Platinum Prem./Hilton Diamond / Hyatt Globalist /Hertz PS / National EE
Posts: 1,107
#239
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 76
I think I hit 14K MQDs last year, and my wife hit 12K. So this impacts both of us negatively. But I'm genuinely surprised at the level of creativity people here are coming up with just so the herd is still thinned in a way they can still make DM.
At the end of the day, the loyalty program isn't a marriage. Its a business decision. I'm happy for Delta that they're trying to redefine their best customers and enhance the benefits to those customers. I hope it works out for them.
Personally, yes, it means I'll cancel a pair of high spend reserve cards and status match to Alaska. I'm happy I live in Seattle where there is still a residue of competition. I'm happy my company is a top tier partner with Alaska too. But I'm not going to lose sleep over this, as I'm sure other happier DMs (ones that Delta wants as a customer) will easily make up the lost revenue from me in their loyalty.
I do feel a tad bad for Amex, as this will conclude a 20 year relationship there, but that's their fault for not staying competitive beyond the MQD waiver against CSR. Again, I don't understand why people get so emotional over just business.
#240
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Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Winter Garden, FL
Programs: Delta DM-3MM United Gold-MM Marriott Lifetime Titanium Hertz President's Circle
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