Delta pilot hits passenger during fight
Apr 30, 2017, 12:50 pm
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So the alternate headline would be something like this:
"Passenger assaulted on Delta flight. Crewmember stands by and does nothing to help."
or
"I was assaulted on a flight right in front of a pilot who ignored the whole incident.":
"Passenger assaulted on Delta flight. Crewmember stands by and does nothing to help."
or
"I was assaulted on a flight right in front of a pilot who ignored the whole incident.":
Apr 30, 2017, 2:37 pm
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From TMZ: (excerpt):
The Delta pilot who smacked a passenger and then walked away delivered the punch to get the woman to release a choke hold she had on the woman she was fighting ... at least that's what the airline concluded.
When you watch the video, it's confusing. It appears the pilot almost gratuitously delivers the punch out of frustration and then walks away. But a Delta official tells TMZ the video doesn't show everything, and based on interviews with the pilot, eyewitnesses and information from cops ... the pilot saw the woman in question choking out the other woman. And the pilot did what he could to release the dangerous grip.
Neither of the women wanted to press charges against anyone. "
The Delta pilot who smacked a passenger and then walked away delivered the punch to get the woman to release a choke hold she had on the woman she was fighting ... at least that's what the airline concluded.
When you watch the video, it's confusing. It appears the pilot almost gratuitously delivers the punch out of frustration and then walks away. But a Delta official tells TMZ the video doesn't show everything, and based on interviews with the pilot, eyewitnesses and information from cops ... the pilot saw the woman in question choking out the other woman. And the pilot did what he could to release the dangerous grip.
Neither of the women wanted to press charges against anyone. "
Apr 30, 2017, 2:42 pm
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Have to agree after watching the video that its good eyewitnesses said there was more to pilots actions. Agree that it looks like he walks over and slaps the lady on the ground, while doing nothong to the one that appears to be hitting her. Then the other woman sits on the slapped woman and it appears he does nothing except say something.
Apr 30, 2017, 4:50 pm
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The problem IMHO is not just airports, it is humanity (at least in the USA) in general, we tolerate more than we ever have before and we have let our standards down to a point where stuff like the fight is ok if it happens.
While working in the ER treating a stabbing victim involved in a gang fight, some of the gang members came in to be with the gang member I am guessing. In the waiting room they got into it with rival gang members waiting for their member who was being treated by a different MD.
Nobody seemed to understand that they were in a hospital and certain level of decorum is required. When a nurse asked then to be quiet, F this and F that and I had enough and asked the Police Officer to step in and only after cuffing two of them did they settle down.
The pilot did nothing wrong it seems, I myself might have simply called the Police and reported a fight to avoid and liability, but the Pilot felt differently and who am I to question his judgement.
While working in the ER treating a stabbing victim involved in a gang fight, some of the gang members came in to be with the gang member I am guessing. In the waiting room they got into it with rival gang members waiting for their member who was being treated by a different MD.
Nobody seemed to understand that they were in a hospital and certain level of decorum is required. When a nurse asked then to be quiet, F this and F that and I had enough and asked the Police Officer to step in and only after cuffing two of them did they settle down.
The pilot did nothing wrong it seems, I myself might have simply called the Police and reported a fight to avoid and liability, but the Pilot felt differently and who am I to question his judgement.
Apr 30, 2017, 5:11 pm
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Have to agree after watching the video that its good eyewitnesses said there was more to pilots actions. Agree that it looks like he walks over and slaps the lady on the ground, while doing nothong to the one that appears to be hitting her. Then the other woman sits on the slapped woman and it appears he does nothing except say something.
He did the right thing and should be commended.
Apr 30, 2017, 5:57 pm
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I'm glad he stepped in. However i dont think slapping one, and then walking away while the other holds them down was the correct method. If going to intervene then get between them and don't let one continue.
Apr 30, 2017, 6:25 pm
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However thats the one issue legally with what he did. It wasn't his place to put them in their places. A cop has immunity and the duty to do so, you, me, the pilot, not so much.
I'm glad he stepped in. However i dont think slapping one, and then walking away while the other holds them down was the correct method. If going to intervene then get between them and don't let one continue.
I'm glad he stepped in. However i dont think slapping one, and then walking away while the other holds them down was the correct method. If going to intervene then get between them and don't let one continue.
That's true. Wondrr if anytjokg will happen to him for saying "i won't stand for this anymore!"
Apr 30, 2017, 7:01 pm
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Have to agree after watching the video that its good eyewitnesses said there was more to pilots actions. Agree that it looks like he walks over and slaps the lady on the ground, while doing nothong to the one that appears to be hitting her. Then the other woman sits on the slapped woman and it appears he does nothing except say something.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.2ea35e4bd847
^ to the pilot.
May 1, 2017, 3:06 am
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In my opinion, there is no such thing as "Air Rage". Anyone who works in retail, especially in lower income areas, has had to deal with the same stuff. I know from experience. In addition to breaking up fights and dealing with drunks and shoplifters, I have seen people peeing in the aisles, and twice defecating in the retail area. Also had a gun pulled on me once. It does say something about our society and it ain't good.
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May 1, 2017, 5:32 am
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+1
In my opinion, there is no such thing as "Air Rage". Anyone who works in retail, especially in lower income areas, has had to deal with the same stuff. I know from experience. In addition to breaking up fights and dealing with drunks and shoplifters, I have seen people peeing in the aisles, and twice defecating in the retail area. Also had a gun pulled on me once. It does say something about our society and it ain't good.
In my opinion, there is no such thing as "Air Rage". Anyone who works in retail, especially in lower income areas, has had to deal with the same stuff. I know from experience. In addition to breaking up fights and dealing with drunks and shoplifters, I have seen people peeing in the aisles, and twice defecating in the retail area. Also had a gun pulled on me once. It does say something about our society and it ain't good.
May 1, 2017, 11:41 am
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Couldn't agree more. But at least in the States, airlines advertise the Premium experience but sell steerage. The dissonance between travel as advertised and travel as experienced sends some people off. This applies to life at large in America. The image of the American lifestyle presented in advertising (particularly) is so at odds with the reality that many Americans live through each day, the dissonance sends some people over the edge eventually.
Some things have gotten better over the years, some things have gotten worse. I think the experience today is better overall than in the '90s when I began flying. I disagree that they are advertising a premium experience, but selling steerage - you get what you pay for, and you aren't paying that much. Biggest cause of the lack of decorum on flights is that air travel has become so cheap, anyone can afford it. In the 90's, I was paying $400RT for flights on my TCON. That route is still the same price (and sometimes less). That behavior has always existed - it was always present where I grew up...boys will be boys as they say, but because of the media and travel becoming so cheap, we have more exposure to it so it just seems like it has gotten worse.
May 1, 2017, 11:15 pm
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Why is the DL (unclear, incomplete) video exempt all of a sudden ? In all cases, Dao's video on UA and the stroller woman on AA we see the video rolling AFTER the supposed "assaults".
With Dao I'm not defending the guerrilla tactics of the airport police pulling him off but did anyone actually see Dr. Dao being pushed into or knocked into the armrest by the goon squad? They're just going to stick to their story and say he "fell" into it.
As far as the stroller women, she was probably annoyed, embarrassed and very angry that she wasn't getting her way. The FA came close but did NOT hit her or the baby with the stroller (obviously he had to struggle with it in the aisle with her and other people getting on and she probably hung right on top of him without having enough sense to move away) and no doubt she then used that close (near) encounter as a way to attack AA by sobbing and faking a near-miss. She gets her rear end wiped with her tickets refunded and an upgrade to F-class and still will sue AA.
Back to Delta, they need to get their dose of a strong lawsuit - because we can guess that one or both of these fighting cats will want to sue them. The pilot should have just kept walking as it appears he showed some hot-headed reaction by that body slamming punch (not that they didn't deserve it). I wouldn't have wanted to see him walk onto another airplane to fly it that day......Sorry, my point is we never really see complete videos, what happened before the video started rolling ?....that's why people grabbing their phones and filming is dangerous if we don't get the before, during and after (verbal, eyewitnesses etc). Mystery solved.
With Dao I'm not defending the guerrilla tactics of the airport police pulling him off but did anyone actually see Dr. Dao being pushed into or knocked into the armrest by the goon squad? They're just going to stick to their story and say he "fell" into it.
As far as the stroller women, she was probably annoyed, embarrassed and very angry that she wasn't getting her way. The FA came close but did NOT hit her or the baby with the stroller (obviously he had to struggle with it in the aisle with her and other people getting on and she probably hung right on top of him without having enough sense to move away) and no doubt she then used that close (near) encounter as a way to attack AA by sobbing and faking a near-miss. She gets her rear end wiped with her tickets refunded and an upgrade to F-class and still will sue AA.
Back to Delta, they need to get their dose of a strong lawsuit - because we can guess that one or both of these fighting cats will want to sue them. The pilot should have just kept walking as it appears he showed some hot-headed reaction by that body slamming punch (not that they didn't deserve it). I wouldn't have wanted to see him walk onto another airplane to fly it that day......Sorry, my point is we never really see complete videos, what happened before the video started rolling ?....that's why people grabbing their phones and filming is dangerous if we don't get the before, during and after (verbal, eyewitnesses etc). Mystery solved.
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May 2, 2017, 3:25 am
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Why is the DL (unclear, incomplete) video exempt all of a sudden ? In all cases, Dao's video on UA and the stroller woman on AA we see the video rolling AFTER the supposed "assaults".
With Dao I'm not defending the guerrilla tactics of the airport police pulling him off but did anyone actually see Dr. Dao being pushed into or knocked into the armrest by the goon squad? They're just going to stick to their story and say he "fell" into it.
As far as the stroller women, she was probably annoyed, embarrassed and very angry that she wasn't getting her way. The FA came close but did NOT hit her or the baby with the stroller (obviously he had to struggle with it in the aisle with her and other people getting on and she probably hung right on top of him without having enough sense to move away) and no doubt she then used that close (near) encounter as a way to attack AA by sobbing and faking a near-miss. She gets her rear end wiped with her tickets refunded and an upgrade to F-class and still will sue AA.
Back to Delta, they need to get their dose of a strong lawsuit - because we can guess that one or both of these fighting cats will want to sue them. The pilot should have just kept walking as it appears he showed some hot-headed reaction by that body slamming punch (not that they didn't deserve it). I wouldn't have wanted to see him walk onto another airplane to fly it that day......Sorry, my point is we never really see complete videos, what happened before the video started rolling ?....that's why people grabbing their phones and filming is dangerous if we don't get the before, during and after (verbal, eyewitnesses etc). Mystery solved.
With Dao I'm not defending the guerrilla tactics of the airport police pulling him off but did anyone actually see Dr. Dao being pushed into or knocked into the armrest by the goon squad? They're just going to stick to their story and say he "fell" into it.
As far as the stroller women, she was probably annoyed, embarrassed and very angry that she wasn't getting her way. The FA came close but did NOT hit her or the baby with the stroller (obviously he had to struggle with it in the aisle with her and other people getting on and she probably hung right on top of him without having enough sense to move away) and no doubt she then used that close (near) encounter as a way to attack AA by sobbing and faking a near-miss. She gets her rear end wiped with her tickets refunded and an upgrade to F-class and still will sue AA.
Back to Delta, they need to get their dose of a strong lawsuit - because we can guess that one or both of these fighting cats will want to sue them. The pilot should have just kept walking as it appears he showed some hot-headed reaction by that body slamming punch (not that they didn't deserve it). I wouldn't have wanted to see him walk onto another airplane to fly it that day......Sorry, my point is we never really see complete videos, what happened before the video started rolling ?....that's why people grabbing their phones and filming is dangerous if we don't get the before, during and after (verbal, eyewitnesses etc). Mystery solved.
1-Dr Dao was a 68 yr old grandfather who was not only mistreated but then essentially dragged off the plane and badly injured. Settled. UA learned a lesson.
2-Mom and babies-we don't know if she got accidently hit or didn't get hit and just over reacted because she was having a bad day and was fustrated leaving the FA innocent but was angry he was being blamed for something he may or may not have done. The chicken is in the pot on this one.
3-Pilot did the right thing breaking up a stupid fight that should not have happened. What happened to security at the gates?
May 2, 2017, 6:50 am
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