Urgent trip to restroom gets man kicked off Delta flight
Apr 27, 2017, 6:01 pm
#106
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I believe these incidents have been going on for some time, but now are starting to get more attention on social media - albeit the UA incident was definitely an extreme.
Apr 27, 2017, 6:05 pm
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I don't know about Delta... but I was on United sitting in the dreaded aisle seat where the electronic/media box was located. If someone sitting in that seat was not permitted to use the lavatory and ended up peeing all over the seat, wouldn't the liquid cause problems for the electronic box?
2) I'm not a design engineer but I would have an extremely hard time believing that electronic/media boxes on aircraft haven't been designed to withstand fluids spilled on them. What if you spilled your Mai Tai on the way to Hawaii on the electronic/media box?
Apr 27, 2017, 6:15 pm
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(Completely off topic: now that everyone has video on cell phones, why aren't there any UFO videos?
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Apr 27, 2017, 6:27 pm
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I figure they would somehow be able to deal with the liquid if they are meant to be used as flotation devices.
Also, my personal opinion is that flyers (and people in general) are feeling more entitled and/or rebellious, so they don't want to follow the rules set forth.
(And I'm pretty sure none of us want cell phone video of an alien getting dragged off a UFO )
Similar incidents have happened since the first airline tickets were sold almost 100 years ago (human nature). With the combination of high quality video capabilities on cell phones along with brain dead news programs, these viral videos are getting more common.
(Completely off topic: now that everyone has video on cell phones, why aren't there any UFO videos? )
(Completely off topic: now that everyone has video on cell phones, why aren't there any UFO videos?
)(And I'm pretty sure none of us want cell phone video of an alien getting dragged off a UFO
)
Apr 27, 2017, 6:32 pm
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1) Those seat cushions are extremely absorbent.
2) I'm not a design engineer but I would have an extremely hard time believing that electronic/media boxes on aircraft haven't been designed to withstand fluids spilled on them. What if you spilled your Mai Tai on the way to Hawaii on the electronic/media box?
2) I'm not a design engineer but I would have an extremely hard time believing that electronic/media boxes on aircraft haven't been designed to withstand fluids spilled on them. What if you spilled your Mai Tai on the way to Hawaii on the electronic/media box?
Apr 27, 2017, 7:15 pm
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Just watched two videos on You Tube. I am not sure where Corboy & Demetrio
are going to put all the money they are going to make representing passengers.
To me the best video would be of the FBI agents listening to the story and saying " you want him arrested for a federal crime because he had to pee?".
At least they had some common sense.
are going to put all the money they are going to make representing passengers.
To me the best video would be of the FBI agents listening to the story and saying " you want him arrested for a federal crime because he had to pee?".
At least they had some common sense.
Apr 27, 2017, 7:24 pm
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Hi Pilot
Stop for the following reasons
I must have coffee now.
I need to stretch my legs.
I forgot to say hi to my friend in 30J
I need a snack- my stomach is growling
I think I left my phone in the lounge in another terminal.
I don't like this plane.
Is there an emergency chain to pull to stop the plane? I want to get down.
It is your fault- you shouldn't have served coffee. Coffee always makes my bladder sensitive,
If I can't go to bathroom, can I have an empty cup?
It is unfair- you allowed another body function during take off.
Stop for the following reasons
I must have coffee now.
I need to stretch my legs.
I forgot to say hi to my friend in 30J
I need a snack- my stomach is growling
I think I left my phone in the lounge in another terminal.
I don't like this plane.
Is there an emergency chain to pull to stop the plane? I want to get down.
It is your fault- you shouldn't have served coffee. Coffee always makes my bladder sensitive,
If I can't go to bathroom, can I have an empty cup?
It is unfair- you allowed another body function during take off.
Apr 27, 2017, 7:31 pm
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Some of you people are such jerks. 99.99...% of people don't get up to use the lav during taxi.
Do you really think people are going to get hurt if someone uses the lav while the plane is moving 10 MPH or, even better, zero, while waiting for takeoff?
Use some common sense for crying out loud.
Do you really think people are going to get hurt if someone uses the lav while the plane is moving 10 MPH or, even better, zero, while waiting for takeoff?
Use some common sense for crying out loud.
Apr 27, 2017, 7:36 pm
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It doesn't matter if he wins or not, or if it is thrown out of court or not. Anybody actually thinks the doc who was thrown out of the UA flight has a legitimate gripe with UA? For the money offered they had a legal right to refuse to fly him to his destination, they called the cops (who he probably has a legal basis to sue) who evicted him from the plane after he was trespassing.
Does it matter? It has cost UA hundreds of thousands of dollars and they've lost hundreds of millions of dollars in stock value.
Does it matter? It has cost UA hundreds of thousands of dollars and they've lost hundreds of millions of dollars in stock value.
Apr 27, 2017, 7:38 pm
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Aisle surfing on a 747 on take-off - YouTube
Aisle surfing; Google and check out for yourself. Many of the people who made these laws about standing during taxi and take off do not follow the law themselves.
Aisle surfing; Google and check out for yourself. Many of the people who made these laws about standing during taxi and take off do not follow the law themselves.
Apr 27, 2017, 7:39 pm
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I repeat - if too much alcohol or coffee or whatever one can't assume flying is perfect and everything will go as expected. So, be conscious of other people and if one is incapable of flying because of bladder issues or alcohol be respectful of others to avoid causing their delays.
I doubt the remaining passengers didn't have one person who also wanted to use the restroom and we ALL know - if you allow one person to go, it will mushroom to 5 and on an active taxi awaiting clearance you don't want to lose your place in line or hold up the busy airport in the USA because you had a beer too many.
The crew doesn't know when clearance will be given to take-off and illegal/unsafe for them to have someone in the restroom so unless the engine is OFF - all passengers must remain in seats with seatbelt.
So, I go back to the passenger - learn to fly.
I doubt the remaining passengers didn't have one person who also wanted to use the restroom and we ALL know - if you allow one person to go, it will mushroom to 5 and on an active taxi awaiting clearance you don't want to lose your place in line or hold up the busy airport in the USA because you had a beer too many.
The crew doesn't know when clearance will be given to take-off and illegal/unsafe for them to have someone in the restroom so unless the engine is OFF - all passengers must remain in seats with seatbelt.
So, I go back to the passenger - learn to fly.
Learn to fly?
Learn to fly = staying hydrated, and the advice is to drink plenty of water/non-alcoholic fluids while flying/travelling. I won't even get into all the possible medical reasons why someone might have to go urgently after a lengthy delay.
If the aircraft is not actively taxiing, the FA could intercom the pilot and request whether a very quick emergency bathroom visit for one pax was possible, let pax know to go as quick as possible, and then intercom the pilot back when pax is back in their seat. Yes, there is a sterile cockpit policy that prohibits non-safety related communications once the aircraft has pushed back, but a pax being out of their seat is definitely a safety issue that could justify a quick intercom to the flight deck.
It is not "illegal" for a passenger to use the washroom while the engine is running. One engine could be running while the aircraft is stationary in the penalty box area as an example, but pax can use the washroom if a pilot gives the OK.
It's not usually possible while actively taxiing/moving, but there are definitely ways to handle this without going back to the gate and deplaning everyone.
Apr 27, 2017, 7:44 pm
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Some of you people are such jerks. 99.99...% of people don't get up to use the lav during taxi.
Do you really think people are going to get hurt if someone uses the lav while the plane is moving 10 MPH or, even better, zero, while waiting for takeoff?
Use some common sense for crying out loud.
Do you really think people are going to get hurt if someone uses the lav while the plane is moving 10 MPH or, even better, zero, while waiting for takeoff?
Use some common sense for crying out loud.
What is it about FAR 121.311 that you don't understand? It's Federal law that passengers must be seated with seat belts fastened while on active taxiways.
Your solution is that airlines should break federal law? That's somehow common sense to you?
Apr 27, 2017, 8:02 pm
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... However, some of the rules are just nuts. I have never understood the whole restriction against being out of one's seat while on a taxiway. You have a plane on a smooth surface moving at 3-5 mph. There is no reason one could not be up at that time. We demand that people remain strapped in the seat on a plane creeping along a ramp or taxiway, but then throw the same person on the airport train or Hertz bus and require them to stand as those transport vehicles rock back and forth or apply sudden brakes.
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So you think people should just wander around the cabin during taxiing. What about during take-off? Do you think that is fine and safe, too?
And if not, do you think the average pax knows how much time they will have to wander around until taxi turns into take-off?
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And if not, do you think the average pax knows how much time they will have to wander around until taxi turns into take-off?
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Striding with purpose to address an urgent biological need is not "people ... just wander[ing] around the cabin during taxiing."
Do schools even teach logic and debate anymore?
Apr 27, 2017, 8:07 pm
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Apr 27, 2017, 9:48 pm
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From the blog post by the busy-body who recorded the videos, the "concerned passenger" said she observed that he was on the phone when the FAs performed the safety instructions. Might this be why he wasn't given the benefit of the doubt when he had to use the bathroom. Could some common sense have been applied? Yes.
Both on the part of the FA but also on the part of the pax. Why wait until you're #3 for takeoff? Might you have been able to use the bathroom had you not been talking on the phone before? Is it possible that the FA was on a power trip, sure.
Lastly, I do not find the pax sympathetic because his whole attitude is that I needed to pee so I should be able to do whatever I want. He made no attempt to explain that it was an emergency beyond, I just had to go. And during both conversations he claimed to have done nothing wrong. Fact is he broke the rules. Whether or not you think he should have gotten an exemption isn't the issue as far as his attitude goes. Also, I wish people would own up to the consequences of their actions. Had it been me, I was have gotten off and likely would have been rebooked on the next flight instead of being refunded.
From the video, DL staff did what they were supposed to do. They tried to talk him off and then we when wouldn't go, shut off the engines and deboard everyone.
Both on the part of the FA but also on the part of the pax. Why wait until you're #3 for takeoff? Might you have been able to use the bathroom had you not been talking on the phone before? Is it possible that the FA was on a power trip, sure.
Lastly, I do not find the pax sympathetic because his whole attitude is that I needed to pee so I should be able to do whatever I want. He made no attempt to explain that it was an emergency beyond, I just had to go. And during both conversations he claimed to have done nothing wrong. Fact is he broke the rules. Whether or not you think he should have gotten an exemption isn't the issue as far as his attitude goes. Also, I wish people would own up to the consequences of their actions. Had it been me, I was have gotten off and likely would have been rebooked on the next flight instead of being refunded.
From the video, DL staff did what they were supposed to do. They tried to talk him off and then we when wouldn't go, shut off the engines and deboard everyone.