Delta to Move Its Asian Hub?
Jun 13, 2016, 4:31 pm
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PVG is a bit strange, to compete with one of your biggest partner in China. However, I would personally love a DL hub in PVG - that will dramatically improve my travel life. MU is a good connecting partner for DL.
Jun 13, 2016, 6:28 pm
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PDX seems strange and to me, it acts as an overflow for SEA. Way more connecting flights at SEA vs PDX.
PVG is a bit strange, to compete with one of your biggest partner in China. However, I would personally love a DL hub in PVG - that will dramatically improve my travel life. MU is a good connecting partner for DL.
PVG is a bit strange, to compete with one of your biggest partner in China. However, I would personally love a DL hub in PVG - that will dramatically improve my travel life. MU is a good connecting partner for DL.
It will also be ideal for DL to be awarded flights to HND from ATL, LAX and MSP, but also retain JFK, DTW and SEA to NRT. DL currently operates out of both Tokyo airports and the flights are usually have a high payload.
The LAX to PEK will also be beneficial for the MU alliance.
Jun 13, 2016, 7:24 pm
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PDX seems strange and to me, it acts as an overflow for SEA. Way more connecting flights at SEA vs PDX.
PVG is a bit strange, to compete with one of your biggest partner in China. However, I would personally love a DL hub in PVG - that will dramatically improve my travel life. MU is a good connecting partner for DL.
PVG is a bit strange, to compete with one of your biggest partner in China. However, I would personally love a DL hub in PVG - that will dramatically improve my travel life. MU is a good connecting partner for DL.
Jun 13, 2016, 9:01 pm
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They wouldn't be competing with MU, they'd be working together. There's a reason MU recently got promoted to a Group 1 SkyMiles partner with dramatically higher earnings - Delta is devoting serious thought and energy to making PVG the replacement for Narita.
Jun 13, 2016, 10:39 pm
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And an immunized joint venture with a Chinese airline won't occur until the US and China agree on an open skies treaty.
Jun 14, 2016, 12:11 am
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Unless Delta and MU obtain antitrust immunity from the US government, Delta and MU will most certainly be in competition. Executives generally don't want to go to prison.
And an immunized joint venture with a Chinese airline won't occur until the US and China agree on an open skies treaty.
And an immunized joint venture with a Chinese airline won't occur until the US and China agree on an open skies treaty.
I think it would play out more as a simple expansion of the existing codeshare agreement where Delta gets preferential pricing on MU-operated interport flights to get their passengers to their final destination beyond Shanghai. For an arrangement like that, the regulatory approvals would be much lighter.
Remember, Delta already owns 3.5% of MU and has an observer seat on their board of directors...
Jun 18, 2016, 12:20 pm
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Jun 18, 2016, 6:42 pm
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In the 90s I was involved in negotiations regarding a JV between my employer and a Korean company. Once the agreement had been signed there was a press conference, and the first question from a Korean reporter was an angry "Why are you doing this? You don't need the help of the Americans, you are Korean and can do it yourself!" (as translated by one of our team members who had been born in Korea)
No surprise, the JV only lasted a few years. In my experience, "Plays well with others" isn't a prized characteristic in Korea, so long as the others aren't Korean.