Restrooms no longer separated by cabin?
Jan 19, 2014, 10:47 am
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I think the reality is that during beverage service on a narrow-body aircraft in particular allowing coach passengers seated forward of the beverage carts is an operational expedient. I'm not DYKWIA enough to particularly care much about coach passengers using the FC bathroom when I'm seated there, even when I've paid for it and not just gotten a Medallion upgrade.
Jan 19, 2014, 10:06 pm
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I hate when they lean against my seat in row one or if I'm in the bathroom and come out to see someone sitting in my seat instead of standing for their turn.
Jan 19, 2014, 10:21 pm
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1. If this was an international flight, movement between cabins is prohibited by DHS, not FAA (DOT). And, that rule permits cabin crew broad discretion and that broad discretion results in the rule largely being honored in the breach, the smart thing being to consult with a crew member before invading hallowed ground.
2. On domestic flights there is no such rule. Air carriers are required to have a safety & security policy and to file that with FAA (DOT). Once filed with DOT, the failure to enforce the policy becomes a violation. It is a distinction without a meaning.
3. The stated reasons for requiring use of lavs in ticketed cabin are safety & security, not DYKWIA. I take it that the aircraft landed safely?
2. On domestic flights there is no such rule. Air carriers are required to have a safety & security policy and to file that with FAA (DOT). Once filed with DOT, the failure to enforce the policy becomes a violation. It is a distinction without a meaning.
3. The stated reasons for requiring use of lavs in ticketed cabin are safety & security, not DYKWIA. I take it that the aircraft landed safely?
Jan 20, 2014, 4:02 am
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The number of lavatories required is dictated by the number of pax. The problem is, the mandate is for the total # of lavs for total # of pax, and in some cases that causes the Y lavs to be insufficient. I found that to be the case on KL 739s and the crew let Y pax use the C lavatory (which is fine, IMO).
Jan 20, 2014, 5:59 am
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Jan 20, 2014, 6:52 am
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Fortunately, it was a gate upgrade and I had my original boarding pass to show that I had in fact bought an economy class ticket so she let me proceed.
Jan 20, 2014, 7:04 am
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Jan 20, 2014, 7:10 am
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Minor quibble: it goes by the number of seats, not passengers. Just like the rules for FA minimum staffing.
WYLBYL?
Well they enforce it pretty hard. I was on an upgrade on a 757 and the F lav was occupied and there was no body in the forward Y lav and nobody heading toward it so I snuck back. The FA stopped me, saying between clenched teeth "If you wanted to use an economy class lavatory you should have bought an economy class ticket!"
Fortunately, it was a gate upgrade and I had my original boarding pass to show that I had in fact bought an economy class ticket so she let me proceed.
Fortunately, it was a gate upgrade and I had my original boarding pass to show that I had in fact bought an economy class ticket so she let me proceed.
Jan 20, 2014, 10:17 am
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It seems to me that they don't release the cabin separating curtain very much these days... if the curtain were deployed, I think it would be a good "soft barrier" preventing Y from reaching the forward lav.
Jan 20, 2014, 10:40 am
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Lately I have seen the curtain closed almost all of the time.
Jan 20, 2014, 12:22 pm
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Going to be a common occurrence on the 737-900s. Lots of pax blocked from getting to the lav during bev service. No mid cabin lav and a stretched plane means pax will be going to the front.
Jan 20, 2014, 1:13 pm
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I notice that for a lot of people in general, but on this site in particular, when they don't like a rule or action, they claim that it is either not a federal law when the rule is enforced with action, or that it is a federal law when the rule is not enforced with action. Realistically and practically, federal law should only establish minimum safety requirements and at most recommend best practices with regard to safety. I personally thing that lavatories should be like exits: "Please take note of the location of the lavatories, keeping in mind the closest lavatory may be behind you."
Last edited by madchemiker; Jan 20, 2014 at 1:18 pm Reason: minor textual change