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Originally Posted by andryas
(Post 20073601)
I thought DL is doing well financially as it is. :confused:
They've raised fares They've cut capacity They've turned their gaze on the FF program A robust FF program or exec. bonus? under the bus. |
Originally Posted by deltdm
(Post 20073681)
Since I've already earned Diamond Status for the 2014 year, will I still have to earn MQD's too?
EDIT: We seem to be safe though for 2014: "The new Medallion Qualification Dollars (MQDs) requirement will go into effect January 1, 2014. Please note this will not affect status earned in 2012 for the 2013 Medallion year or status earned in 2013 for the 2014 Medallion year. " |
Originally Posted by c_d
(Post 20073807)
That is something that bubba doesn't realize. For many of us, it already IS 2014 or will be very shortly - at least by MQM. With UA that doesn't matter that much yet so the 11 months are not always a heads-up - thanks to roll-over.
I understand there may be future changes in redemption or qualification. I understand that DL is a company and not a lover. We all have a clear choice to go where we want. I understand that many of FT are unwilling or unable to pay for the service they desire. I understand the noose is tightening on this group. I think DL understands. I understand. |
Originally Posted by pbarnette
(Post 20071898)
You need to practice new math to find the basis. The notion is based upon the OP's theory that, despite higher loads and higher overall PRASM, DL is getting their butt kicked on attracting premium passengers. The argument is that DL is losing large numbers of high-revenue premium passengers by not discounting their product enough.
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Looks generally reasonable, but I had been hoping they'd do more on the revenue side of things, to focus on high value customers. I know it would be complex to implement, but something based on $/mile for example, where MQM earning for a ticket is directly correlated to the pricing on the ticket. Right now, a 50% premium for B is _way_ too low. Take JFK-SFO as an example. U goes for $162, B for $670-800. Really, B should be earning 4-5x what U earns for that trip.
Alternatively, have a "lower miles, higher spend" path to status, such as "gold is either: *50k MQM plus $5k spend OR *40k MQM plus $10k spend As someone who has spent $1300 on 2000 BIS in the last two days, that would certainly tell me that DL values my business. I wonder, though (and here I'm speculating) if DL believes that higher fare class travellers are going to fly those flights anyway, even if the earning isn't what it "should" be - of my four flights in the last two days, only for one did I really have a choice of carrriers. |
Originally Posted by Mr. Elliott
(Post 20071644)
I wonder if the executives who decided to go with this new dollar requirement factored in how much business Delta will lose from those who barely can make elite status as it is.
A seat without a butt in it on departure is lost revenue no matter how low the fare is, and for those who like my wife and myself who travel on deeply discounted fares, but have been loyal to Delta and given them all of our business because of the perks we get with medallion status, I am Gold and my wife is Silver, so we will continue at times to fly Delta and enjoy the perks until the end of Feb. 2015 but not at the same level as in the past because any MQM’s we get this year are now totally worthless to us. My wife and myself have done a few mileage runs in the past, usually on a Saturday or Sunday when their planes are not full, putting revenue in Delta’s bank account when otherwise those seats would have gone out empty. In fact we were starting to do some planning for a mileage run to the west coast in the spring, obviously with this announcement that will not happen, again lost revenue for Delta. My wife and I have been totally loyal to Delta, flying them exclusively since we changed over from American Airlines 5 years ago, even putting up with changing airplanes when other airlines fly the same route nonstop. Fortunately for us we do have a choice, JetBlue for most of our flying, I know that JetBlue also uses revenue as a factor for elite status, but even without elite status JetBlue offers a far superior on board product than Delta, and I am sure that JetBlue will appreciate all the business they will be getting from former Delta flyers like us, especially on the New York to Florida runs Delta just sent my wife and I, and all the other low dollar but loyal flyers who help fill their seats a clear message, they do not want our business anymore, and we will oblige them by taking our business somewhere else. Mr. Elliott But now, if I spend that money to make GM I will only make FO, which gives me 25% skypesos and leaves me fighting for bin space with everyone and his brother that has an AMEX card. This is a game changer for me. It's not going to get me to leave Delta and never come back. But with meaningful status placed out of reach, and with skypesos that are worth less than their competitor's miles, it means that I will only be flying DL when they are the cheapest option. |
Originally Posted by bubbashow
(Post 20073859)
I understand it fully. I also understand that there are a lot of people getting benefits that benefit them and not the company. I understand the company has the right to change the rules, and I understand a lot of people are too thrifty or don't have the means to meet the new requirements. I understand there will be threats of leaving and many will actually leave. I understand that DL has talked to many of the high spenders in their company and identified elite-rank swelling as a problem. I understand that low-rev elites will be replaced by much-more-profitable Kettles (look from where the profits are coming). I understand that FT will pontificate and roll around with "they don't know what they are doing". I understand that this won't change what DL is doing. This one is firm.
I understand there may be future changes in redemption or qualification. I understand that DL is a company and not a lover. We all have a clear choice to go where we want. I understand that many of FT are unwilling or unable to pay for the service they desire. I understand the noose is tightening on this group. I think DL understands. I understand. Once more, you merely filled space with little information density. BTW: I am still waiting for a more substantial answer on your claim that KLM-bought, KLM-ticketed, KLM-operated, and KLM-metal flight will turn out in 006-stock. If you have answered that question already, my apologies, and would you please point me to your answer. |
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Originally Posted by yolo1966
(Post 20073660)
Loving the whole "I'm more valuable then you" and the "new rules don't affect me, screw everyone else" attitude from some around here. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Tomphot
(Post 20071778)
IMO - the new program will greatly increase participation in the AmEx program.
Originally Posted by javabytes
(Post 20072259)
I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop. This announcement was all about elite qualification. Nothing about redeemable mileage accrual and redemption.
Originally Posted by keloutwest
(Post 20072696)
I anticipate these changes will lead to retribution by many ST partners, which will cause customer service and flexibility to deteriorate across the alliance, and eventually lead to the end of ST. That's a major bummer.
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Originally Posted by Deltahater
(Post 20073923)
^^^^
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Originally Posted by bubbashow
(Post 20073754)
They will ALL follow now.
You made your point very clear. You are happy with the changes. Good for you. You are entitled to your subjective opinion. You are not entitled to make baseless claims to further your agenda though |
Originally Posted by Deltahater
(Post 20073945)
please substantiate your claim or admit it is simply baseless, childish speculation on your part.
You made your point very clear. You are happy with the changes. Good for you. You are entitled to your subjective opinion. You are not entitled to make baseless claims to further your agenda though Baggage Fees No Free Meals in Y Seat Assignment fees ....etc .......etc, ..........etc I am making the prediction. UA floated THIS VERY IDEA a year ago. |
Originally Posted by rankourabu
(Post 20073737)
Well yeah - do you really expect the competition (AS, OK, SU, etc...) to share with Delta how much you paid for a ticket plated on their stock??
This is why its ok to have a revenue based system for WN, B6, stand alone carriers - within an alliance, a revenue system basically ruins the value of an alliance. Well, actually DL went on and not only shared the ticket costs but the total revenue when it formed the TATL JV with AF/KL/AZ! Delta's agent's will always be able to pull up your PNR record/booking and will have a complete breakdown of your ticket down to the last penny. Only exception would be third party/travel agent bookings on unpublished fares. |
Originally Posted by bubbashow
(Post 20073859)
I understand it fully. I also understand that there are a lot of people getting benefits that benefit them and not the company. I understand the company has the right to change the rules, and I understand a lot of people are too thrifty or don't have the means to meet the new requirements. I understand there will be threats of leaving and many will actually leave. I understand that DL has talked to many of the high spenders in their company and identified elite-rank swelling as a problem. I understand that low-rev elites will be replaced by much-more-profitable Kettles (look from where the profits are coming). I understand that FT will pontificate and roll around with "they don't know what they are doing". I understand that this won't change what DL is doing. This one is firm.
I understand there may be future changes in redemption or qualification. I understand that DL is a company and not a lover. We all have a clear choice to go where we want. I understand that many of FT are unwilling or unable to pay for the service they desire. I understand the noose is tightening on this group. I think DL understands. I understand. I've said it before but I'll keep saying it again. Some people just can't handle finding out they're not as valuable as they think they are to DL's bottom line. I know where I fall in the line (and trust me, it's nowhere near the top), and I'm okay with that. With the $2-3k my tickets costs each year between government and leisure travel, I don't expect to be treated the same way as someone who spends 5 to 10 times as much. The only thing I think they're not doing right is granting higher status to those who spend $10-20k but only fly 30-40,000 MQMs a year and are stuck at FO. |
I've said it before but I'll keep saying it again. Some people just can't handle finding out they're not as valuable as they think they are to DL's bottom line. I know where I fall in the line (and trust me, it's nowhere near the top), and I'm okay with that.
THIS! I am nowhere near the top either, but I have the common-sense to know there are others that deserve to be treated better than I. ((and yes...if this doesn't work out, one simple DMQM promo will bring them back in droves)). |
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