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TomA Jan 18, 2013 1:38 am


Originally Posted by TheMadBrewer (Post 20072950)
You get the same seat :)

Usually, the higher the fare class, the fewer the restrictions (advance purchase, changes, etc.)

Usually?

I would say, usually not, but sometimes. There is usually no difference at all other than a higher price. There are sometimes (but nowhere near most of the time) fewer restrictions.

HongKonger Jan 18, 2013 1:45 am


Originally Posted by roknroll (Post 20072201)

Originally Posted by HongKonger (Post 20072183)
This is me too.

However I priced out some typical itineraries in M and B which still earns the bonus and found that B isn't that much more. If this continues to be the case maybe I'll just go B fares instead.

This is the case now, but I suspect M fares will drop. We wouldn't see any change until after March 1' since M fares purchased before March would still get 150% MQMs, even if travel is after that date.

People keep saying this but when's the last time they did something that nice? In general fares aren't going anywhere but up.

Horizons Jan 18, 2013 1:47 am


Originally Posted by FlyDeltaJets87 (Post 20071974)
Delta doesn't care whether you pay for a ticket or your employer pays for it, just as long as someone is paying for it. You have customer A who generates $15k in revenue. You have customer B who generates $3k in revenue for the same amount of product. Unless customer A is a real pain in the butt, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who is more valuable to the bottom line. It may hurt some feelings, but that's life.

Well, that's kind of the point of the hurt you're hearing. Delta is effectively but covertly saying, "SkyMiles is not a loyalty program anymore; it's a value-to-us program". Those of us who stick with Delta -- they've been my main carrier by far since I moved from the West Coast to Florida -- and really strain our finances to reach elite levels aren't realistically any less loyal than those with a big spend. Thus, SM is no longer a "frequent flyer" or "loyalty" program to Delta, but a "generous spender" reward.

That's fine, if you view elite status as a country club. I've always viewed it instead as a healthy (from an ambassadorial standpoint) mix of wealthy, independent travelers; road warriors; and plucky, creative types racking up miles. I don't need to fly a single mile in a year. Work sends me nowhere and my family's right here. But I have chosen to fly, and it's nice to be rewarded - with a few comforts related to all those BIS miles - when I do it a lot.

HongKonger Jan 18, 2013 1:56 am


Originally Posted by Dovster (Post 20072915)

Originally Posted by HongKonger (Post 20072183)
This is me too.

However I priced out some typical itineraries in M and B which still earns the bonus and found that B isn't that much more. If this continues to be the case maybe I'll just go B fares instead.

What are the differences between M fares and B fares? In other words, will I be getting something more for the extra money other than the MQMs?

(Being higher on the upgrade list doesn't matter to me as I always make certain that my trans-oceanic flights are upgraded as soon as I purchase and, last year, managed to have all but one of my domestic flights upgraded at the same time and for no additional SkyMiles.)

You'll get the bonus MQM which will allow you to retain PM and get the SWUs. So the question is whether it is worth the difference to you.

BER Flyer Jan 18, 2013 4:13 am


Originally Posted by dgxoxo (Post 20072872)
Did you all resolve whether MQDs would accrue for DL flights purchased on 057/074 stock? If not, I just spoke with someone at the Platinum desk (had called in on a completely unrelated issue), but took this opportunity to ask some questions.

Will we accrue MQDs for DL flights purchased on 057/074 stock? No. The whole point is that Delta has to be able to track the spend. Hence, you have to purchase 006 stock for the MQD to accrue.

A follow up question - will MQDs nevertheless accrue if a flyer has a 057/074 ticket re-issued in 006 stock? Good effing question - the agent did not know the answer, but noted it to push up the chain. Any change fees associated with the reissuance would not count. It is unclear, but more than likely, than any fare difference paid by the flyer would count (net of taxes and government imposed fees). However, it is not known at all whether the original net fare payable on the 057/074 stock would accrue for MQDs.

Please note that in the course of complaining bitterly to the agent about partner redemptions, the very helpful agent noted that a new booking system is being rolled out to the agents (a few are using it already) that will make booking skyteam partner flights easier. I'm not exactly holding my breath on this one, especially since it is not slated to trickle down to delta.com.

WOW! IF this information is correct ( and we still need a formal confirmation ) THAT is a huge blow! That means you wont earn any MQD's on Delta operated flights with a DL flight number if you are not having a DL issued 006 ticket. I'm not sure if most of you understand the consequences: NO MQD's for you on ANY Alaska, AF, KL, KE; CZ, AZ... ticket even when flying DL operated and coded flights. But i still read the unclear terms on the website differently to this info from the agent.

pbarnette Jan 18, 2013 4:32 am


Originally Posted by BER Flyer (Post 20073401)
WOW! IF this information is correct ( and we still need a formal confirmation ) THAT is a huge blow! That means you wont earn any MQD's on Delta operated flights with a DL flight number if you are not having a DL issued 006 ticket. I'm not sure if most of you understand the consequences: NO MQD's for you on ANY Alaska, AF, KL, KE; CZ, AZ... ticket even when flying DL operated and coded flights. But i still read the unclear terms on the website differently to this info from the agent.

All of the formal guidance is clear. Not sort of clear. Clear. DL- coded flights count. Why are you trying to manufacture a problem that isn't there? The agent is wrong (shocker).

Crazyhotelguy Jan 18, 2013 5:08 am

Not msking any quick decisions here. I will see how this pans out throughout the year....

That ssid, I think that this yesr or next may be the year of the great Sky Peso burn.... I fear further devaluation....

DL has been good to me, but it may be time to rethink this relationship.

bubbashow Jan 18, 2013 5:12 am


Originally Posted by pbarnette (Post 20070025)
If these folks are genuinely bringing in a "fair amount of revenue" then they should have nothing to worry about.

^

I.M.O. the spend levels are TOO low. They should be double what they are now

bubbashow Jan 18, 2013 5:17 am


Originally Posted by TexasYankee (Post 20072592)
Delta mission: we want your money.

ummmmm....they are a for-profit company.

BER Flyer Jan 18, 2013 5:21 am


Originally Posted by pbarnette (Post 20073446)
All of the formal guidance is clear. Not sort of clear. Clear. DL- coded flights count. Why are you trying to manufacture a problem that isn't there? The agent is wrong (shocker).

It' not me trying to make it problematic, the info is out there for 3 days and already DL agents get it wrong ( hopefully in this case ). It would be easy for DL to officially put this matter to rest by just clarifying the FAQ's on the website by simly stating that you earn MQD's on other airline tickets as long as the flight has an DL flight number.

andryas Jan 18, 2013 5:22 am


Originally Posted by HongKonger (Post 20072996)
DL wouldn't be making changes if they didn't think it would improve their bottom line. Their analysis must have convinced them that either they have to give out fewer benefits or thy people would spend more to retain status.

I thought DL is doing well financially as it is. :confused:

c_d Jan 18, 2013 5:26 am


Originally Posted by keloutwest (Post 20072696)
Lastly: I absolutely hate United and refuse to fly them. I did a match and planned to switch in earnest this past year, but I immediately came running back to DL. But Star Alliance is GREAT. I anticipate these changes will lead to retribution by many ST partners, which will cause customer service and flexibility to deteriorate across the alliance, and eventually lead to the end of ST. That's a major bummer.

Just my 2 cents.

That is my point, too. I cut the ST a lot of slack over the past years bu instead of moving closer together for us paying customers, they're moving further apart. Whether you hit or miss the spend requirement, the mood between the alliance partners slowly but surely moves towards open hate.

HongKonger Jan 18, 2013 5:29 am


Originally Posted by bubbashow (Post 20073561)

Originally Posted by pbarnette (Post 20070025)
If these folks are genuinely bringing in a "fair amount of revenue" then they should have nothing to worry about.

^

I.M.O. the spend levels are TOO low. They should be double what they are now

Why not just add two zeros to each

rylan Jan 18, 2013 5:31 am


Originally Posted by dgxoxo (Post 20072872)
Did you all resolve whether MQDs would accrue for DL flights purchased on 057/074 stock? If not, I just spoke with someone at the Platinum desk (had called in on a completely unrelated issue), but took this opportunity to ask some questions.

Will we accrue MQDs for DL flights purchased on 057/074 stock? No. The whole point is that Delta has to be able to track the spend. Hence, you have to purchase 006 stock for the MQD to accrue.

That was my concern from the start. While its just one agent, its become obvious that this issue is confusing for them as well. Would be nice to get an 'official' answer from a DL rep here, since it wouldn't be the first time DL published something where the reality was different than it sounded.

Will we ONLY earn MQDs for tickets purchased on 006 stock? Or do DL coded/operated flights on partner 057/074 stock also get credit?

bubbashow Jan 18, 2013 5:33 am

I wonder if the executives who decided to go with this new dollar requirement factored in how much business Delta will lose from those who barely can make elite status as it is.

WHY is there a feeling on FT that an Elite program should welcome all? It was designed to be exclusive. DL is going back to that direction now. THANK YOU DL for doing it!


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