DLATL777

SQ and CX F as well.

bennos

Well, then they couldn't sell Zone 1 boarding for Amex/EC/etc, even though Zone 1 is really Zone 4.

Perhaps DL could simply start with negative numbers. Pre-Boarding is "Zone -2", First Class is "Zone -1" (see, it still has a 1 in it!), Sky Priority is "Zone 0", and then Zone 1 can still be Zone 1 (the 4th)!

jamienbaker

If both CX lavs are full in F, the FA will escort you back into J and cut to the front of any J bathroom queue that might exist. Is that DYKWIA behaviour (I'm in First so my bladder takes precedence!) if it is facilitated by the staff? Or does DYKWIA behaviour by definition require unilateral action by the offending individual? What a conundrum.

Similarly, EK F passengers get better champagne than those in J. If an F passenger chooses to mingle with J pax in the bar (rear, UD of the A380), EK staff is to bring a separate bottle exclusively for the consumption of the mingling F passenger. Again, DYKWIA behaviour or does one get a pass if facilitated by staff?

EkekoBWI

Being offered and accepting are two different things, the latter being IMHO flagrant DYKWIA. I don't see myself as wanting to cut in line or feeling obliged to top off with better champy.

jamienbaker

But you paid for the privilege. Do you turn down the bigger pillow in BE as well? Turn down the amenity kit?

stils

I take the champagne and wait in lime for the bathroom.

EkekoBWI

I would gently push back and mention that it is not exactly analogous. In your example, I would be declining a paid service in the class of service I paid for, and there are no ill-effects passed on to fellow travelers. Effectively, it's the same as declining a PDB. No big deal.

On the other hand, in the OP's question, I'm making a choice to leave F. Regardless if the rules were on my side, I would choose not to throw my weight around; it is both a little rude (bathroom example) and a bit unnecessary (bar example), in my opinion.

Moreover, "But those are the F rules, so it must be OK to do" would not serve a sufficient justification for me to be able to sleep peaceably. And that's regardless of what sized pillow may be under my head.

jamienbaker

That is an entirely fair rebuttal. A few final thoughts - what about priority bag tags? Some airlines take them seriously. Priority bag handling absolutely causes resources to be allocated away from those in Y, to their detriment.

Another example - American's CK program. It is customary for CK members to be called by name and pre boarded before ANY zones are called. And in places like MIA, they are typically brought from the lounge in a cart. If boarding has starting, a rep will take them to the front of the line.

So, imagine you're waiting for your zone to be called, a guy pulls up in a cart and is immediately brought on board. DYKWIA behaviour? Or, the Delta VIP Select service. I've used it. Agent meets you with bag tags in terminal, you never even approach a podium. Imagine you're 30 deep in a queue, you see a guy enter, an agent rushes over, hands him his BP, tags his bags, then whisks him away. DYKWIA? Many might think so.

My only point, is that a sliver of what constitutes DYKWIA behavior in the eyes of many may simply be explained (justified is open to opinion) by the policies of the airline. I realize this sliver is likely a small one, but when I see people exhibit DYKWIA behaviour at airport, I at least remain open to the idea that maybe they are somebody the airline truly considers more important. But most of the time, as this thread can testify, they are just boorish individuals with inflated senses of self-worth

reft

The difference between a DYKWIA and someone else is the attitude. There are people out there who you should know who they are, and who are likely to turn down a better seat, place in line, etc, gracefully. From celebrity sightings "He was so nice; She signed autographs for everyone"

Some DYKWIA behavior seems to come when:It may even been they were entitled and something went wrong. Get downgraded from F to Y because of WX/MX and a later flight to boot. One option is to create a public scene at the desk including giving the employee attitude, the other is to wait until later and call for compensation.

The person who does the is histrionics is the DYKWIA, not the person who firmly and politely stands up for themselves.

Fine line.

DYKWIA may be like pornography. It's not well defined, but it's obvious when you see it.

People can go DYKWIA if they are having a bad day, even if it's not normally in their natures.

On the more recent topic of official perks: If an airline employee is supposed to cut first class passengers in front of others and they do not, the employee could get official flack for not following the company's policies (Not talking FAA policies here) even if the customer does not comment. So cutting the boarding line, the bathroom line, or the special bottle of wine may not be in control of the passenger at all, once they crossed the golden curtain.

Crossin Jordan

How about this for an analogy.. I am a PM, upgraded to F. Any GMs that have been upgraded to F can also enjoy all the benefits that come with sitting in F (PDB, pillow, snickers). However, any trips a GM needs to make to lav take second priority to me. As a PM, if I need to cut in front of the GM at the lav, it is my right to do so because i have more status. Bummer for me, however, if a DM gots to go, because i'm now lower priority in the bathroom line.

Such a situation would be no less inconsiderate or arrogant than cutting in front of Y passengers.

jamienbaker

Easy now, take it up with Cathay. It is their policy. F passengers have lav rights in all cabins. I'm not suggesting we segregate within individual cabins for lav perks per your example...but wait...that already happens with meals! Are you telling me that as a United Global Services member, it is inconsiderate and/or arrogant to accept first-order service? Recall that GS members have first pick of meals, which is why on UA you'll notice they don't follow FEBO or anything like that. Meals are taken based on status. Uh oh, flame away...

Crossin Jordan

I'm sorry, i thought this was the DL forum.

Crossin Jordan

But since you bring it up, I completely get priority meal service. It is reasonable to offer such a perk, as many FOs would even agree. But i don't think UA allows 1k members to deplane first while silvers sit and wait.

Bicostal

Still fails the analogy test.

When an airline has a policy that provides differential levels of benefits based on cabin it is not DYKWIA to take advantage of those benefits nor is it unDYKWIA to refuse to do so.

It is DYKWIA of someone to demand benefits to which they are not entitled by fare class or status. It is not DYKWIA to request benefits to which you are entitled by airline policy.

It is not unDYKWIA to accept something less than what is policy without comment. Accepting a service fail without comment at the point of service and rather waiting until later to complain doesn't make you a better human being.

You have every right to refuse the benefits pursuant to policies afforded by cabin or status as others have pointed out. You don't have the right to do so on my behalf, particularly if you are not entitled to a benefit to which I am.

misterbean

Can you scrutinize this futher? I'm not sure I'm getting it yet.