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Harlem Mar 17, 2012 10:13 am
Additionally,
Now that March is here and I don't see a significant change in my upgrades I now must assume that below 30% upgrades on my routes is the new norm. So I must rethink my strategy.

With my loyalty with DL I get to ride in F 30% of the time, get to pick exit row or aisle seats near the front of F, get a direct line to the DL diamond line, get to SDC (but I can no longer cancel award trips T72 which is a big deal for me), I get wifi on every flight, and personal tv's on some - I get lounge access (but again without edible food so what -if you're getting fed in F on the flight you don't need food but now that I don't get fed I must eat before my long flights)

Most of these are real benefits and I don't discount that - but last year when my upgrades were 85% and I could cancel T72 it was an unbeatable package - now it makes sense to shop for the best itinerary and the best price.

They knew that their changes would force some to move their business around. Unfortunately for me, these new policy changes affect me directly/significantly.

wilsonnyc Mar 17, 2012 10:29 am
Originally Posted by Harlem (Post 18218507)
Additionally,
Now that March is here and I don't see a significant change in my upgrades I now must assume that below 30% upgrades on my routes is the new norm. So I must rethink my strategy.

With my loyalty with DL I get to ride in F 30% of the time, get to pick exit row or aisle seats near the front of F, get a direct line to the DL diamond line, get to SDC (but I can no longer cancel award trips T72 which is a big deal for me), I get wifi on every flight, and personal tv's on some - I get lounge access (but again without edible food so what -if you're getting fed in F on the flight you don't need food but now that I don't get fed I must eat before my long flights)

Most of these are real benefits and I don't discount that - but last year when my upgrades were 85% and I could cancel T72 it was an unbeatable package - now it makes sense to shop for the best itinerary and the best price.

They knew that their changes would force some to move their business around. Unfortunately for me, these new policy changes affect me directly/significantly.
Harlem - am i to assume by the above references to JFK that you are a NYC-based Diamond - with a 30% UG rate this year?

That's crazy, what routes are you flying and when? As a point of comparison, I'm standing at 14 for 16 out of LGA and JFK this year and the two missed were an ATL>AUS leg before SXSW and an LAX>JFK flight the monday morning after the oscars...in both cases, I wasn't expecting an upgrade. Otherwise, no dropped %'s on my end...and this is on tough routes like JFK>SFO/JFK>LAX (where I'm already 5 for 6 in 2012)...on not terribly high fares either.

::shrugs::

Harlem Mar 17, 2012 11:53 am
most often JFK-SLC

Bicostal Mar 17, 2012 12:14 pm
Originally Posted by Harlem (Post 18218963)
most often JFK-SLC
Ski season. Wait till the snow melts! Fridays are the worst.

GRALISTAIR Mar 17, 2012 12:58 pm
Originally Posted by bartendress (Post 18215894)
Me, too. But tread lightly... it's likely there's a wife/girlfriend/boyfriend who might take issue with such a bold advance! :D
LMAO;)

bartendress Mar 17, 2012 1:24 pm
Originally Posted by GRALISTAIR (Post 18219257)
LMAO;)
The power of a comma is quite amazing, no?

I couldn't resist that one. :D

GRALISTAIR Mar 17, 2012 2:08 pm
Originally Posted by GRALISTAIR (Post 18215774)
I am tempted to bite, Mr Hudson, and ask, "who YOU would hire (on this thread)", but it is Friday and I am about to pour a Bombay and Noilly Pratt over ice with 4!!! olives.
I think this is better, bartendress. What do you think?

bartendress Mar 17, 2012 2:21 pm
Originally Posted by GRALISTAIR (Post 18219548)
I think this is better, bartendress. What do you think?
Miles better. I also recall reading that, only to wonder what his interview technique might be like... and, of course, the whole, "Mmmmm... Bommmbaaay...", thingy. ;)

rwoman Mar 17, 2012 5:02 pm
Originally Posted by bartendress (Post 18219379)
The power of a comma is quite amazing, no?

I couldn't resist that one. :D
Makes me think of this photo my sister shared recently:

http://after12.failblog.org/2012/02/...omment-page-1/

:)

bartendress Mar 17, 2012 5:08 pm
Originally Posted by rwoman (Post 18220377)
Makes me think of this photo my sister shared recently:

http://after12.failblog.org/2012/02/...omment-page-1/

:)
ROFLMAO! :D

Brilliant!

HongKonger Mar 18, 2012 8:57 am
Originally Posted by batdude (Post 18201577)
yep, this pretty much sums it up. Don't clear ANY upgrades at the window... instead try to sell $50 bumps from M fares on the web site. This is not a good way to take care of your ham sandwiches.....
Ham sandwiches aren't to be taken care of... they're to be devoured!

HongKonger Mar 18, 2012 9:35 am
Originally Posted by FWAAA (Post 18202089)
Are there any businesses in this country whose travel policies permit paid F on domestic flights? I doubt it, unless Y is completely sold out. The only business travelers who could buy this ticket would be self-employed business travelers. Non-transcon Domestic F exists for two primary reasons: 1. Connecting flights where an international business class ticket has been purchased (permitted by some corporate travel policies; and 2. Frequent flyer upgrades.
some law firms, some consulting firms, some accounting firms, corporate directorship benefits, corporate management of a certain pay grade or higher, others...

HongKonger Mar 18, 2012 10:18 am
Originally Posted by bartendress (Post 18210019)
Bring it! I mix a mean martini.
Are you referring to an actual martini, i.e. a drink made with gin? Because nowadays I often hear people referring to drinks made with vodka as "martinis" when they are not.

HongKonger Mar 18, 2012 10:34 am
Originally Posted by starflyer (Post 18215253)
The gas station does not give discounts, but unlike the airlines they do not advertise/proclaim that they give discounts or a free upgrade to higher quality gas at the low quality gas price. What is so hard to understand about that?
Sure they do. Most have a membership card that gives you a discount on gas. This is... gasp... a loyalty program!

DiverDave Mar 18, 2012 10:36 am
Originally Posted by 3Cforme (Post 18215057)
If your line of reasoning held any promise the people in this forum who find reasons to complain with every trip (and elements: booking, check in, boarding, flight service, luggage delivery), yet still fly Delta four years later should have been long gone.

Worse than the crowd the lacks the intellectual capacity or work ethic to conduct an analysis of the best airline and FF program to meet their needs is the crowd that recognizes Delta is the best they can do yet still comes here regularly to complain.
Go back and see who the top posters were four years in this forum. Compare that list with today. You might be surprised by the result.

David


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