The Definitive "How To Search for Low Tier Business Awards"
#467
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: NYC
Programs: SPG Gold, Hyatt Plat, PC Plat, Hilton Gold
Posts: 612
Transcontinental BE
New to the game and have spent a lot of time reading/searching. Trying to book my first award ticket for a trip for 3 from BDL-SFO/SJC (or JFK/EWR/LGA, even BOS) and having no luck finding low tier space. Dates are somewhat flexible, leaving ~ Aug 16 and back ~ Aug 21 (give/take 2 days either way, ideally want to spend 3-4 nights there).
I came across Delta's BusinessElite service on the JFK-SFO non-stop and thought that would be a cool option too.
I'm finding nothing using Delta.com or ExpertFlyer (though the latter doesn't show coach Award availability). Any tips or guidance would be appreciated, please help a newbie find his way!
Thanks.
I came across Delta's BusinessElite service on the JFK-SFO non-stop and thought that would be a cool option too.
I'm finding nothing using Delta.com or ExpertFlyer (though the latter doesn't show coach Award availability). Any tips or guidance would be appreciated, please help a newbie find his way!
Thanks.
#468
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: SUX
Programs: BA Silver; HHonors Gold; SPG Gold; Points but dirt with everyone else
Posts: 8,050
I've redeemed for KE on ICN-MEL, but I'm doing LHR-ICN as my initial segment. I'd guess if you can find the TPAC segment, you'll be good to go. Note that ICN-MEL is not daily and is on an A330 with the Prestige Plus angled-lie flat seats and not the Prestige Sleeper full flat bed seats.
#469
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: JFK, LGA, EWR
Programs: DL DM, Marriott Plat
Posts: 257
Relatively new to this site.
Anyway quick question. I've been looking at LAX-MUC for sometime and anyway was going to buy today leaving Dec 2 returning the 12th. It was priced at 100,000 in first. Then when I went to buy it went up to 150,000 miles. I have the miles, just really don't want to spend that much. Is there any chance of a med priced award ticket going down? Or once they go yellow will they not go back down to low price?
Sorry for the newb question. Any help would be apprecaited.
Anyway quick question. I've been looking at LAX-MUC for sometime and anyway was going to buy today leaving Dec 2 returning the 12th. It was priced at 100,000 in first. Then when I went to buy it went up to 150,000 miles. I have the miles, just really don't want to spend that much. Is there any chance of a med priced award ticket going down? Or once they go yellow will they not go back down to low price?
Sorry for the newb question. Any help would be apprecaited.
#470
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: SUX
Programs: BA Silver; HHonors Gold; SPG Gold; Points but dirt with everyone else
Posts: 8,050
Relatively new to this site.
Anyway quick question. I've been looking at LAX-MUC for sometime and anyway was going to buy today leaving Dec 2 returning the 12th. It was priced at 100,000 in first. Then when I went to buy it went up to 150,000 miles. I have the miles, just really don't want to spend that much. Is there any chance of a med priced award ticket going down? Or once they go yellow will they not go back down to low price?
Sorry for the newb question. Any help would be apprecaited.
Anyway quick question. I've been looking at LAX-MUC for sometime and anyway was going to buy today leaving Dec 2 returning the 12th. It was priced at 100,000 in first. Then when I went to buy it went up to 150,000 miles. I have the miles, just really don't want to spend that much. Is there any chance of a med priced award ticket going down? Or once they go yellow will they not go back down to low price?
Sorry for the newb question. Any help would be apprecaited.
#471
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: JFK, LGA, EWR
Programs: DL DM, Marriott Plat
Posts: 257
Thanks for the reply. Just a GM here so I guess I wouldn't be able to get the miles back for free if it did drop.
So the general advice would be to wait to see if it drops?
I've been looking thru this thread for tips on how to get the lowest but it's a huge thread ... any tips on what pages to focus on this thread?
So the general advice would be to wait to see if it drops?
I've been looking thru this thread for tips on how to get the lowest but it's a huge thread ... any tips on what pages to focus on this thread?
#472
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Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Bay Area
Programs: DL SM, UA MP.
Posts: 12,729
At least flying out of SFO, it doesn't seem like there are 100k BE TATL awards on any DL metal.
If you get it at all, it involves AF flights, code-shared as DL flights but really AF metal.
All the DL flights, which usually involves a connection at JFK or ATL from the West Coast, are ridiculously expensive awards.
Even though the AF flights are better.
If you get it at all, it involves AF flights, code-shared as DL flights but really AF metal.
All the DL flights, which usually involves a connection at JFK or ATL from the West Coast, are ridiculously expensive awards.
Even though the AF flights are better.
#473
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: BNA
Programs: DL DM, HH Diamond
Posts: 58
Where in Europe for least miles
I've been PM for about a year and through a few trips to Asia I now have >400,000 miles and THEORETICALLY enough miles to take the family to Europe BE. That is until I started looking on the reservations page. I'm finding that I can find a ticket to certain European destinations for 150,000-200,00/each but nothing for the 100,000 listed on the Delta.com website.
So my question is, are there any destinations in Europe that cost somewhat lower than CDG, FRA, AMS etc.? We really don't care where we go so that's not a big deal. Once we get to Europe, we can see a lot within 300-500 miles of driving. I'm trying to get the most bang for the buck and btw, I tried to methodology from the OP which is almost 2 years old. It is not possible to look up an economy class award ticket and then look up some subset of BE within those choices.
Unless I'm just a total dunce and can't understand what's in front of me, that's a non-starter now apparently. Also, called the Delta.com help desk which apparently is in a Tiki hut in New Guinea communicating via telegraph I was disonnected twice mid sentence and they were no help (no kidding huh?) I finally asked for a supervisor on my third call and she actually gave some decent advice about using the website.
Anyway, could use some advice on the aforementioned. All responses appreciated.
So my question is, are there any destinations in Europe that cost somewhat lower than CDG, FRA, AMS etc.? We really don't care where we go so that's not a big deal. Once we get to Europe, we can see a lot within 300-500 miles of driving. I'm trying to get the most bang for the buck and btw, I tried to methodology from the OP which is almost 2 years old. It is not possible to look up an economy class award ticket and then look up some subset of BE within those choices.
Unless I'm just a total dunce and can't understand what's in front of me, that's a non-starter now apparently. Also, called the Delta.com help desk which apparently is in a Tiki hut in New Guinea communicating via telegraph I was disonnected twice mid sentence and they were no help (no kidding huh?) I finally asked for a supervisor on my third call and she actually gave some decent advice about using the website.
Anyway, could use some advice on the aforementioned. All responses appreciated.
#474
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: New York and Vienna
Programs: PA WorldPass Platinum, AA, DL, LH. GHA Black, SPG and HHonors Gold
Posts: 3,870
I've been PM for about a year and through a few trips to Asia I now have >400,000 miles and THEORETICALLY enough miles to take the family to Europe BE. That is until I started looking on the reservations page. I'm finding that I can find a ticket to certain European destinations for 150,000-200,00/each but nothing for the 100,000 listed on the Delta.com website.
So my question is, are there any destinations in Europe that cost somewhat lower than CDG, FRA, AMS etc.? We really don't care where we go so that's not a big deal. Once we get to Europe, we can see a lot within 300-500 miles of driving. I'm trying to get the most bang for the buck and btw, I tried to methodology from the OP which is almost 2 years old. It is not possible to look up an economy class award ticket and then look up some subset of BE within those choices.
Unless I'm just a total dunce and can't understand what's in front of me, that's a non-starter now apparently. Also, called the Delta.com help desk which apparently is in a Tiki hut in New Guinea communicating via telegraph I was disonnected twice mid sentence and they were no help (no kidding huh?) I finally asked for a supervisor on my third call and she actually gave some decent advice about using the website.
Anyway, could use some advice on the aforementioned. All responses appreciated.
So my question is, are there any destinations in Europe that cost somewhat lower than CDG, FRA, AMS etc.? We really don't care where we go so that's not a big deal. Once we get to Europe, we can see a lot within 300-500 miles of driving. I'm trying to get the most bang for the buck and btw, I tried to methodology from the OP which is almost 2 years old. It is not possible to look up an economy class award ticket and then look up some subset of BE within those choices.
Unless I'm just a total dunce and can't understand what's in front of me, that's a non-starter now apparently. Also, called the Delta.com help desk which apparently is in a Tiki hut in New Guinea communicating via telegraph I was disonnected twice mid sentence and they were no help (no kidding huh?) I finally asked for a supervisor on my third call and she actually gave some decent advice about using the website.
Anyway, could use some advice on the aforementioned. All responses appreciated.
I just booked a business-class trip for early August (this was 2 weeks ago) flying JFK AMS and then continuing to STR. My return is BRE to AMS. Outbound flight is KLM; return TATL is Delta.
Total cost: 100.000 Miles.
What destinations did you try to book?
#475
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: BNA
Programs: DL DM, HH Diamond
Posts: 58
various
I looked at several, FRA, AMS, ZUR, BRU...didn't see anything for June '12 for less than 150,000 miles RT.
#476
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: New York and Vienna
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Posts: 3,870
#477
Join Date: Jul 2010
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330 days out is not working very well. To get to Europe, you might have better luck searching using the Flying Blue engine. Search for pretty much any of my posts that contain "airfrance.us", as I'm not in the mood for typing out the instructions again.
#478
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: DXB, IAD, SAN
Programs: PC Plat, SPG Gold, Hilton Gold, Hertz Gold, UA Gold, DL Silver
Posts: 76
Here is a suggestion to find some decent routes. I would search one ways for low tier and then piece them together for a multi-city.
Here is something I have on hold for 105k + $220.10
5/15/12 DXB to FCO KLM O
5/22/12 FCO to CDG AF O
5/26/12 CDG to BCN AF O
5/30/12 BCN to AMS KLM O
6/5/12 AMS to DXB AF O
I never knew you could piece together the segments like this until I read these forums and am glad that I will be able to see the majority of the highlights of Europe while on 1 award ticket all in Biz. Good luck to everyone. I am still not sure if I should save the miles for a TATL award from Delta to NA or use the miles and move on.
Here is something I have on hold for 105k + $220.10
5/15/12 DXB to FCO KLM O
5/22/12 FCO to CDG AF O
5/26/12 CDG to BCN AF O
5/30/12 BCN to AMS KLM O
6/5/12 AMS to DXB AF O
I never knew you could piece together the segments like this until I read these forums and am glad that I will be able to see the majority of the highlights of Europe while on 1 award ticket all in Biz. Good luck to everyone. I am still not sure if I should save the miles for a TATL award from Delta to NA or use the miles and move on.
#479
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: SUX
Programs: BA Silver; HHonors Gold; SPG Gold; Points but dirt with everyone else
Posts: 8,050
Here is a suggestion to find some decent routes. I would search one ways for low tier and then piece them together for a multi-city.
Here is something I have on hold for 105k + $220.10
5/15/12 DXB to FCO KLM O
5/22/12 FCO to CDG AF O
5/26/12 CDG to BCN AF O
5/30/12 BCN to AMS KLM O
6/5/12 AMS to DXB AF O
I never knew you could piece together the segments like this until I read these forums and am glad that I will be able to see the majority of the highlights of Europe while on 1 award ticket all in Biz. Good luck to everyone. I am still not sure if I should save the miles for a TATL award from Delta to NA or use the miles and move on.
Here is something I have on hold for 105k + $220.10
5/15/12 DXB to FCO KLM O
5/22/12 FCO to CDG AF O
5/26/12 CDG to BCN AF O
5/30/12 BCN to AMS KLM O
6/5/12 AMS to DXB AF O
I never knew you could piece together the segments like this until I read these forums and am glad that I will be able to see the majority of the highlights of Europe while on 1 award ticket all in Biz. Good luck to everyone. I am still not sure if I should save the miles for a TATL award from Delta to NA or use the miles and move on.
#480
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: DXB, IAD, SAN
Programs: PC Plat, SPG Gold, Hilton Gold, Hertz Gold, UA Gold, DL Silver
Posts: 76
I might have to try that. Booking this on kayak or orbitz came out to around $3k for just econ and around $5k for biz so that is around . 051 redemption, which is a lot better than the .028 that they sell miles for.
Thanks for the heads up regarding business class intra-european being a similar economy comfort/economy plus product.
Thanks for the heads up regarding business class intra-european being a similar economy comfort/economy plus product.