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What is EMV?
EMV is a standard for smart (or integrated-circuit, or chip) cards and the devices that can accept them. The standards are maintained by EMVCo and based on ISO 7816 (or ISO 14443 for contactless).

These cards come in two flavours: contact and contactless. Examples below:
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Notice the contactless indicator on the right-hand side (it looks like a sideways Wi-Fi symbol). It may also be found on the back of the card (for example, on the back of the new Costco credit card).


Where can I get a chip card?

Hawaiian717 operates a website with crowd-sourced information about various cards. You can adjust the search parameters to see cards with contactless, have PIN-primary authentication, etc.

Which businesses accept chip cards?

tmiw operates a website, also primarily crowd-sourced, that tracks chip-enabled merchants on a map. You can see if a merchant supports PIN, contactless, Quick Chip, et al.

Why doesn't my chip card ask for a PIN?

This is likely because you have a signature-preferring card. At this time, PIN-preferring cards issued in the US are rare. Not many financial institutions offer them; most of them instead provide Chip-and-Signature cards, which are programmed to prefer signature over PIN, if the card supports PIN at all.

What is the difference between Chip-and-Signature and Chip-and-PIN?

To the cardholder, the only major difference is how they authenticate themselves at the point of sale. The cardholder inserts their card as normal; instead of signing a screen or receipt, they will be asked to enter their PIN on the keypad.

[spoiler]

A few financial institutions issue some form of Chip-and-PIN credit cards or prepaid cards. Prepaid EMV cards however are not recommended due to junk fees.

Why no PIN? (cont.)
American debit cards are unique because they are psuedo-PIN-preferring cards. which may work at many automated kiosks. However, bear in mind the word may is used above is a context where there is no absolute certainty of success for certain environments such as automated kiosks due to different natures of offline and online transactions.

What is the difference between Chip-and-Signature and Chip-and-PIN? (cont.)

Most cards issued in the US are programmed to prefer signature, so save very few instances, they will prompt for a signature (unless the merchant sets a signature waiver). A PIN may be necessary in countries with mostly PIN-preferring cards when using unattended terminals (such as pay-at-the-pump or mass transit). If the card has a PIN for backup verification or ATMs, then that PIN should work. Otherwise, the card will be rejected. If the card is rejected, then either a.) the transaction must be performed by an attendant or b.) an alternative payment method will be required.

Some credit union issued credit cards will have this CVM (Cardholder Verification Method) as secondary if Chip-and-Signature cannot be done. Chip-and-PIN is the more prevalent method of authentication used outside the US, especially in transaction environments where no human interaction is needed (i.e. automated gas pumps, toll roads, train kiosks, etc.).

One chip can hold a lot more data, therefore it is capable of doing multiple verification methods. That's one of the great things about EMV over the mag-stripe which can hold very little data.

I want to know for sure what my EMV chip does. Is there anyway I can test out my own EMV card to see what the CVM list is?
alexmt has written up a nice step-by-step procedure on Post #3615.

If most of the EMV cards in the US is the Chip-and-Signature type, doesn't that mean it's still useless abroad?
Depends if you see it as glass half empty or glass half full. See Post #3 for further details on how Chip-and-Signature has worked both successfully and unsuccessfully depending on the merchant transaction environment and use your best judgment whether which one is right for you.


I don't want a chip in my card. I heard horror stories all over the media saying hackers can steal my credit card info from a mile away.


There are two types of chips. One is contactless and the other is contact. Cards can be either one or the other, or both.

In the Google Docs spreadsheet, the cards that are capable of contactless payments are listed seperately under the "RFID or NFC contactless chip" column. If it says yes, then that means it has the ability to do contactless payments. If it says no, it doesn't have that feature.

The one that the media has overhyped about hackers "stealing your information wirelessly" was the contactless type like this:

You are worried about this happening, right?

You don't have to worry. EMV is a chip standard that can have both contact and contactless interfaces. With the traditional contact interface, this means you actually have to physically insert the chip into a POS terminal for it to be authorized, like this:

With the contact interface, nothing is wireless. No data is sent out in a stand-alone contact type EMV chip. With the EMV contactless interface, data is sent wirelessly.

Furthermore, contactless chip cards are required to show a symbol (looks like Wi-Fi symbol) somewhere on the card that to denote its capability as a contactless card. For example, here's an example of a Discover Card with contactless capability (in which Discover calls "Discover ZIP") showing the contactless symbol on the back of the card:

Don't believe everything that the media says. Besides, millions of people all over the world from London to Singapore, uses contactless payments daily in extremely crowded subways and mass transit with nary any problems. There are multiple layers of encrypted securities and keys that are needed to break the code.

Frankly, giving your physical card to a waiter/waitress who takes the card out of your view is much more susceptible to fraud than contactless payments.

Why should I care?
If you are an international traveler, you will want this because majority of the world has or in the process of converting to this payment format.

In fact, in 2012, even North Korea moved to the EMV format, leaving the US as one of the countries in the world that hasn't done so.

In addition, VISA, MC, AMEX, and Discover have all agreed to incentivize the USA shifting to EMV payments by 2015 by shifting liability for fraudulent transactions to merchants if they do not have EMV equipment and the cardholder has an EMV card. So if you travel internationally or would like to get one before the others, you might be interested in getting one.


BS! I had no problems using my card in [insert whereever country], [insert whatever point in time]
If you stick to the tourist path where they have lots of visitors from the US, you should have no problems using your mag-stripe only card in hotels and restaurants, at least for now. But as things can change as things go forward.

However, consider that once you start taking the off-beaten path, go to non-touristy places where they are not familiar with mag-stripes, rent a car and use toll roads, fill up gas, or try to buy train tickets you might end up into a trouble of the machine not recognizing your card because it lacks the chip. Furthermore, a lot of toll roads, gas pumps, and automated ticket machines lack any human assistance to help you when you need it the most.

But [insert credit card company] told me all merchants that display their logo must accept them! All I have to do is report them for violating their agreements, right?
There are several factors against this.

1. You can only speak English. The merchant representative, most likely a part-time clerk earning minimum wage, speaks in a different language, let's say French. If you have no French language skills, how are you going to get your point across? Are you going to whip out your cell phone at exorbitant int'l roaming charges and hope the customer service is going to translate it for you on the spot? Or maybe you might actually know French. But how about Swahili, Farsi, Balinese, or the multiple languages in mainland China?

2. Just like US, the rest of the world's businesses uses part-time minimum wage workers as cashiers to cut down on labor costs. Most of their SOP training manuals are written by MBA types to not to do anything they are not familiar with. Do not expect them to understand the intricate details of credit card mumbo jumbo. You don't expect Taco Bell employees to understand the minute details of Discover-JCB-Union Pay agreements, right? Same thing the other way around: be respectful as a guest in their country, prepare in advance in their ways, avoid being an "ugly American" stereotype.

3. You are a guest in their country. You are a minority. If 99.9% of their country's people and other tourists from around the world uses EMV, do you really think they are going to accomodate the 0.1% of American tourists who only have mag-stripes credit cards?

4. Again, you are a guest in their country. How would you, as an American standing in line, react if a Chinese tourist was clogging up the lines at a local Taco Bell because the clerk doesn't understand the Discover-Union Pay agreement and has trouble communicating between Mandarin spoken by the tourist and English spoken by the Taco Bell clerk? Same way the other way around. You do not want to clog up the lines for everyone. The less hassle, the better.

5. VISA and MC make tons of money from merchants in that country. Say SNCF French Rail. It's a billion dollar company in France. Do you think VISA is going to pull the plug of their relationship with SNCF because SNCF refuses to do mag-stripe processing at their unmanned train station kiosk? Of course not. Be realistic.

6. And lastly, if you're up against an unstaffed toll kiosk, gas pump or train ticket machine, are you going to yell curses at the machine?

But I want my credit card to be able to be used in the US too!
No worries. They have not gotten rid of the mag-stripe on the back of the card for backward compatibility reasons, just like we still have embossed numbers on our cards for backwards compatibility to using those old carbon copy imprinters.

[insert own Hyatt card image front and back together with red arrows pointing to all the backward compatibility features]

You use the chip on the front of the card abroad (for now), and the mag-stripe just like any other card for the US. Basically, you're increasing your credit card's acceptance rate by getting a card that both via the chip and the mag-stripe. You're getting a better deal for free.

And when 2015 comes along and US switches to EMV, you'll be way ahead of everyone else too!


So why did the rest of the world and the US moved/moving toward EMV?
Primarily, due to fraud concerns. You see, the mag-stripe has been with us since the 1950s. It may have been the most high tech thing back in the day, but with the technology that is available today, any shmo can pick up a $100 USB magnetic card skimming device off of eBay and get your credit card info.

And unlike skimming off contactless cards which actually need the person to have l33t programming skills, skimming off a magnetic stripe has become so ubiquitous that nary a day goes about skimming fraud going on somewhere in America, from gas pumps, Michael's stores (2011), Target breaches (2013), restaurant waiters/waitresses, to even McDonald's drive thrus.

https://www.google.com/search?q=skimming+fraud

These type of fraud used to be prevalent in Europe. But once they started switching over to EMV starting over 2 decades ago, this type of fraud went elsewhere. It went over to Asia, Canada and Mexico, Latin America, etc. etc. until they too began implementing EMV to combat skimming fraud. The US is practically the only country left that hasn't done so, therefore all the fraud that used to take place elsewhere is now happening here.


But EMV is old and it's not fool proof. Shouldn't we just skip over it and do something new instead?
Yes, EMV is old. It was developed in the 1990s, and its smart card payment predecessor was first introduced in France. But as of today, it has become the de-facto global standard of payments.

But then, what else is there? There is no other de facto global standard of payments alternative. For example, if we decide to skip over it and do something new, hypothetically like DNA matching technology, it still means US int'l travelers will continue to have problems abroad with useless plastic acceptance because no other country is using this DNA matching technology except the US.

Besides, nothing is fool proof. You can say that the bank vault isn't fool proof because you can crack it open if enough C4 is used. But your average low-life scumbag isn't likely to get military grade C4 easily either. But the bank vault does make it harder to get the bank's money over say a petty cash box. That's the point here. EMV is akin to a security tight bank vault, the old mag-stripe is akin to a petty cash box lying around inside the drawer.


I'm a business owner and I don't think EMV is going to take off. I'm not going to spend extra hundreds of dollars to upgrade my credit card machine. Convince me other wise why I should.
I can understand the added extra cost to your business once this switchover takes place. But before even saying that, look at your existing POS terminal. Does it have a slot somewhere to insert a card?

Most likely, if you had replaced your POS terminal within the past five years, you already have an EMV capable terminal. EMV is basically just not turned on yet from the processor and acquirer side.

If you have an EMV capable terminal, then a best bet would be to contact your acquirer to have the EMV feature turned on. You did your end of the deal already by having an EMV capable terminal, it is now the acquirers' responsibility to turn it on in accordance to the EMV switchover mandate.

And if you don't, you are going to replace your POS terminal anyway from common wear and tear. It isn't a hard switch-over. You can continue to use your POS terminal until it dies out because EMV cardholders will still have the mag-stripe on the back. And by the time your non-EMV capable POS terminal is up for replacement the market will be full with these newer POS terminals that can accept the mag-stripe, EMV, as well as contactless payments.

In addition, you may also want to check with your acquirer or processor about EMV capable terminals. Some of them are willing to replace your terminal for free in preparation for the US EMV switchover. Call and ask for details.


But what's in it for me? I'm the one that has to pay for the upgrade.
All the major card networks have given incentives for merchants for the upcoming EMV switchover.

If 75% or more of your credit card transactions are done on an EMV contact and contactless terminal, they are going to waive your annual PCI-DSS fees, which usually costs you around $5.00-$19.95/month per terminal. The overall long term cost savings of those compliance fees will be larger than the cost of an one time upgrade for the terminal.

The downside is that once EMV switchover happens and if you do not have a POS terminal that is able to accept EMV, the fraud liability shifts over to the merchant.
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Old Jun 19, 2019, 8:56 pm
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I will definitely check the reliability of that and will report back! I remember those terminals would require PIN for my TD Debit but I did not have a CC at the time to use abroad, so this will be the first to check the same ones that fall back to requiring PIN on a card with no PIN.


Meanwhile, on domestic front, I had my first experience with contact EMV at the pump. Local speedway had these bulky and IMO ugly looking NCR terminals for a while, but they were still used as swipe. Now, they are EMV enabled. This is what the set up looks like:



At first, I had no idea that turned EMV on, because this thing is so bulky and there are so many weird colors, I totally missed the sticker:


And the one underneath:


It took a while to read and process. It required ZIP code, just like with swipe.


And here's the receipt:


This is probably the first time I saw EMV on these really old pumps that still have the little thing you have to lift up to fill up etc. But hey, they're going ahead with their payment processing!
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Burgerville (local burger chain in Portland, OR) now has EMV using PAR Pay branding with iPP 350 terminals. I didn't see any visible contactless option.
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Originally Posted by Barciur
I will definitely check the reliability of that and will report back! I remember those terminals would require PIN for my TD Debit but I did not have a CC at the time to use abroad, so this will be the first to check the same ones that fall back to requiring PIN on a card with no PIN.


Meanwhile, on domestic front, I had my first experience with contact EMV at the pump. Local speedway had these bulky and IMO ugly looking NCR terminals for a while, but they were still used as swipe. Now, they are EMV enabled. This is what the set up looks like:



At first, I had no idea that turned EMV on, because this thing is so bulky and there are so many weird colors, I totally missed the sticker:


And the one underneath:


It took a while to read and process. It required ZIP code, just like with swipe.


And here's the receipt:


This is probably the first time I saw EMV on these really old pumps that still have the little thing you have to lift up to fill up etc. But hey, they're going ahead with their payment processing!
Yes, many stations in the US have replaced their pumps due to thinking they have to in order to get EMV working. They needed to go take a trip to Canada and they would have found all those old Gilbarco Advantage pumps of the 90s had chip reader attachments and were reading chip cards just fine (albeit slowly...).
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Old Jun 20, 2019, 2:33 am
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Originally Posted by Points Scrounger
That is CDCVM with a phone for no limit. The floor, applied by local limit, applies to tapping a physical card. I thought European unattended terminals were getting better about no CVM for American cards?
In some countries like the UK, acceptance is nearly 100%, but in others (B, F, NL) it's much closer to zero. Contactless solves the problem for amounts below the local floor but for terminals without contactless hardware or amounts over the floor, you're still dead in the water without PIN.

Whenever I interact with a new unattended device, I always try inserting my CSR. My success rate outside the UK is extremely low--IIRC I've been successful on the Paris metro and one type of Barcelona's fare vending machines (which also offered to DCC me!), but that's about it. I even got rejected for a €2 purchase by a vending machine recently but at least it took coins.

That said, the situation has been greatly improved from the other side--nearly all American debit cards support online PIN, so with the exception of some French gas pumps you're at least able to complete the purchase. My personal recommendation for travelers to Europe now is simply to get a Schwab checking account and keep a couple hundred dollars in it.

Originally Posted by tmiw
Also, I believe Barciur was referring to unattended terminals. The rules do say that signature-only cards should work there, but as we've seen, that's not guaranteed. It'll be interesting to see how reliable Poland is in that regard.
That's been the rule for quite some time, but enforcement is effectively nil. If gas stations owned by multinational oil companies and the national rail networks of several countries can have zero compliance with no consequences, there's not much hope for any real action from the card networks.

Originally Posted by tmiw
That's something controlled by the card, IIRC. It may very well be possible to tap for everything under the limit if you're using a US card.
That's been my experience--the "second floor" for multiple transactions appears to require the card to store details of previous transactions, which not all cards do. So while my European cards will require a PIN for the purchase that pushes the spend over €50 in some amount of time, I can spend an unlimited amount with my CSR so long as each transaction is under €25.

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Originally Posted by storewanderer
Yes, many stations in the US have replaced their pumps due to thinking they have to in order to get EMV working. They needed to go take a trip to Canada and they would have found all those old Gilbarco Advantage pumps of the 90s had chip reader attachments and were reading chip cards just fine (albeit slowly...).
US seems to always prefer shiny and new stuff. The stations replaced pumps not because of EMV, but because large color screens look cool. Stores don’t need a Verifone MX925 just because of EMV. Of course not. American retailers are obsessed with things being flashy. In fact Mobil ran an ad ON the pump itself showing how Mobil stations have fancy pumps with color screens and the corner gas store had pumps from the 80s! And then the ad asked consumers “which one would you rather choose?”
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One of the local credit unions (California Coast CU) is PIN-preferring for debit cards. According to cardpeek, the CVM list for the global AID is online PIN, signature, no CVM in that order. ~1% FTF too, from my understanding of the stuff the people at the branch provided. There's also supposedly a transaction log but I'll have to use the card for actual purchases to see if it gets populated.

Additionally, it looks like they recently replaced their ATMs with ones that have contactless readers. They're not currently enabled, however, which makes me think that there's some software update every bank and CU is waiting on in order to be able to accept any contactless card (vs. only their own cards attached to mobile devices).

Originally Posted by der_saeufer
That's been the rule for quite some time, but enforcement is effectively nil. If gas stations owned by multinational oil companies and the national rail networks of several countries can have zero compliance with no consequences, there's not much hope for any real action from the card networks.
How common is contactless at unattended terminals in mainland Europe? It's possible that the card networks are simply not worried about a use case that's expected to be (if not already is) uncommon.

(FWIW, I've found that contactless support at unattended terminals in the UK is ~100%. However, this is a pretty small sample mostly consisting of National Rail ticket machines and a single vending machine.)

Originally Posted by RedLight2015
US seems to always prefer shiny and new stuff. The stations replaced pumps not because of EMV, but because large color screens look cool. Stores don’t need a Verifone MX925 just because of EMV. Of course not. American retailers are obsessed with things being flashy. In fact Mobil ran an ad ON the pump itself showing how Mobil stations have fancy pumps with color screens and the corner gas store had pumps from the 80s! And then the ad asked consumers “which one would you rather choose?”
I thought the retrofit kits were pretty expensive too. If you're going to spend a bunch of money anyway, might as well upgrade everything and not have to worry about it for the next decade or two. Plus, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a bit of a "planned obsolescence" thing happening on the part of the pump manufacturers.

Originally Posted by Barciur
Meanwhile, on domestic front, I had my first experience with contact EMV at the pump. Local speedway had these bulky and IMO ugly looking NCR terminals for a while, but they were still used as swipe. Now, they are EMV enabled. This is what the set up looks like:

https://imgur.com/2RBoDVY

At first, I had no idea that turned EMV on, because this thing is so bulky and there are so many weird colors, I totally missed the sticker:

https://imgur.com/DAuUwl0

And the one underneath:

https://imgur.com/qqJyhVs

It took a while to read and process. It required ZIP code, just like with swipe.

https://imgur.com/BrMDo8l

And here's the receipt:

https://imgur.com/nhQjLv6

This is probably the first time I saw EMV on these really old pumps that still have the little thing you have to lift up to fill up etc. But hey, they're going ahead with their payment processing!
imgur doesn't work inline anymore for some reason. I converted the images to links above.

Anyway, I'm guessing there's no contactless on these things? And I'm not sure why they'd still want a ZIP code when using the chip, either.
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Originally Posted by der_saeufer
Whenever I interact with a new unattended device, I always try inserting my CSR. My success rate outside the UK is extremely low--IIRC I've been successful on the Paris metro and one type of Barcelona's fare vending machines (which also offered to DCC me!), but that's about it. I even got rejected for a €2 purchase by a vending machine recently but at least it took coins.
My CSR was rejected every time at the Paris Metro kiosks last week. My PenFed Visa worked fine (but didn't prompt for PIN).

Contactless seems to be available just about everywhere I went in France (even paid for a bathroom at the Avignon train station with Apple Pay) so I mostly used that.
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Old Jun 20, 2019, 12:10 pm
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Originally Posted by tmiw
How common is contactless at unattended terminals in mainland Europe? It's possible that the card networks are simply not worried about a use case that's expected to be (if not already is) uncommon.

(FWIW, I've found that contactless support at unattended terminals in the UK is ~100%. However, this is a pretty small sample mostly consisting of National Rail ticket machines and a single vending machine.)
Having just been travelling in Amsterdam, Paris and then some Spain, I found that it varies. Newer terminals had mostly contactless at unattended terminals. Older ones often did not - in fact they "swallowed" your card completely, which made some American tourists whom I helped in Amsterdam with the ticket machine very uneasy - they were not expecting the card to be swallowed inside and spit back out later.

I know Poland pretty much everything is contactless now, but that's also because Poland had a massive government push to accept cards literally everywhere, with laws that subsidized interchange fees (already tiny) as well as other fees for the first year and discount prices for terminals. You gotta remember, back in 2008 even, few places accepted cards in Poland.


Originally Posted by tmiw
imgur doesn't work inline anymore for some reason. I converted the images to links above.

Anyway, I'm guessing there's no contactless on these things? And I'm not sure why they'd still want a ZIP code when using the chip, either.
Thanks for the conversion. No, there is no contactless. Still found that interesting that for a few months they were reading cards as swipe, now they switched over to ZIP - who knows if it just stayed with the ZIP prompt because of that?
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Meanwhile, on domestic front, I had my first experience with contact EMV at the pump. Local speedway had these bulky and IMO ugly looking NCR terminals for a while, but they were still used as swipe. Now, they are EMV enabled
Where is this Speedway station? We have Speedway where I live, but I still haven't seen EMV or contactless working on any of their pumps. They do seem to have new equipment and the contactless reader says "Coming soon" on it. The contact card reader has a blue flashing light.
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Where is this Speedway station? We have Speedway where I live, but I still haven't seen EMV or contactless working on any of their pumps. They do seem to have new equipment and the contactless reader says "Coming soon" on it. The contact card reader has a blue flashing light.
Forget what I just wrote. It looks like Speedway has indeed gone live with EMV. The station I went to had older pumps and no contactless interface like I had seen at other stations, but EMV was working and PIN capable. Speedway wins the EMV race here in Michigan.
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Originally Posted by tmiw
One of the local credit unions (California Coast CU) is PIN-preferring for debit cards. According to cardpeek, the CVM list for the global AID is online PIN, signature, no CVM in that order. ~1% FTF too, from my understanding of the stuff the people at the branch provided.
I presume it's online PIN, no CVM on the US DEBIT AID?
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Originally Posted by LoveClassicMusic0205
Where is this Speedway station? We have Speedway where I live, but I still haven't seen EMV or contactless working on any of their pumps. They do seem to have new equipment and the contactless reader says "Coming soon" on it. The contact card reader has a blue flashing light.
We've had contactless reader saying "Coming soon" on it as well, but they mysteriously disappeared once these were installed so it seems like your case.
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Originally Posted by gfunkdave
My CSR was rejected every time at the Paris Metro kiosks last week. My PenFed Visa worked fine (but didn't prompt for PIN).

Contactless seems to be available just about everywhere I went in France (even paid for a bathroom at the Avignon train station with Apple Pay) so I mostly used that.
When was the last time you had the CSR replaced? Early versions didn't support ODA, which could have contributed to your issues.

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I presume it's online PIN, no CVM on the US DEBIT AID?
Correct, though the common AID is named "Debit" and not "US Debit". Too bad the card isn't contactless but I wasn't really expecting a CU to have it, either. At least they support the major mobile wallets.

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We've had contactless reader saying "Coming soon" on it as well, but they mysteriously disappeared once these were installed so it seems like your case.
Is Speedway backing away from supporting contactless, then?
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How common is contactless at unattended terminals in mainland Europe? It's possible that the card networks are simply not worried about a use case that's expected to be (if not already is) uncommon.
Depends on the country, I'm sure. For Belgium, Germany and the Netherlands, not common at all for train/metro ticket machines or for gas pumps. Metro ticket machines often take cash, but rail system machines generally don't. I have never seen a gas pump or fuel station cardlock with contactless support over here.

The UK is light years ahead of the Continent when it comes to contactless. Now if only I could buy gas without taking off my helmet and standing in line to interact with a human...

Originally Posted by gfunkdave
My CSR was rejected every time at the Paris Metro kiosks last week. My PenFed Visa worked fine (but didn't prompt for PIN).
That's odd... if your PenFed card didn't prompt for a PIN, the terminal isn't forcing PIN so that's probably not it. My old (pre-contactless) CSR worked last time I bought Paris Metro tickets but I don't think I've tried the current one yet.
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Location: Livonia, MI
Posts: 197
Originally Posted by LoveClassicMusic0205
The station I went to had older pumps and no contactless interface like I had seen at other stations, but EMV was working and PIN capable.
I just went to another station to fill my other vehicle. This was a larger one with new pumps. It had the contactless interface but it still said "Coming Soon". I didn't test it. I used an offline PIN only card and it did prompt for a PIN. So far, I haven't been able to determine if they support online PIN or are using Quick Chip. It will take a couple more fill ups with different cards to find out.

Almost forgot, it prompted me for a zip code where the first one didn't.

Last edited by LoveClassicMusic0205; Jun 20, 2019 at 5:43 pm Reason: Forgot something
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