USA contactless credit/debit/transit (2014-2016)
Dec 4, 2015, 11:18 pm
#2656
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The SPG has contactless built into the card now?
Dec 4, 2015, 11:22 pm
#2657
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Anyway, I bought Coin 2.0 from Amazon (I know, I know--but at least Amazon's return policy is pretty good) to see how well the NFC functionality works. Added two Chase cards through the app and it took something like 4-5 days and possibly an App Store update to finally recognize that the cards are NFC capable. I initially thought that it would recognize such cards immediately or close to such, but Coin support was of no help when I asked. Weirdly, one of the Chase cards doesn't show anything other than "Visa" when selected. Bug perhaps?
Besides that, I tried tapping it at a vending machine at work and it seemed to work okay. Haven't tried anywhere else yet. cardpeek really doesn't like Coin though so I had to use an Android NFC reader app to read it. It seems to be MSD only and doesn't do any sort of tokenization. That is, it's using the same exact card number over NFC as on the front of the physical card. You'd think they'd have implemented at least that since they need bank permission to do so. Also, I'm not sure if it's the app I'm using on Android or a Coin limitation, but I was only able to read the Track 2 Equivalent Data.
In other news, I re-added my Aviator card to Apple Pay recently and it's still showing up as US Airways. I guess Barclaycard forgot that part of the rebranding?
Besides that, I tried tapping it at a vending machine at work and it seemed to work okay. Haven't tried anywhere else yet. cardpeek really doesn't like Coin though so I had to use an Android NFC reader app to read it. It seems to be MSD only and doesn't do any sort of tokenization. That is, it's using the same exact card number over NFC as on the front of the physical card. You'd think they'd have implemented at least that since they need bank permission to do so. Also, I'm not sure if it's the app I'm using on Android or a Coin limitation, but I was only able to read the Track 2 Equivalent Data.
In other news, I re-added my Aviator card to Apple Pay recently and it's still showing up as US Airways. I guess Barclaycard forgot that part of the rebranding?
'Cause IMHO Coin is useless. At least Plastc are trying to go the tokenization route and working with banks.
We'll see how that actually plays it out -- their new "subscription service" model is... interesting.
Dec 4, 2015, 11:30 pm
#2658
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Are you sure Amazon lets you return opened electronics?
'Cause IMHO Coin is useless. At least Plastc are trying to go the tokenization route and working with banks.
We'll see how that actually plays it out -- their new "subscription service" model is... interesting.
'Cause IMHO Coin is useless. At least Plastc are trying to go the tokenization route and working with banks.
We'll see how that actually plays it out -- their new "subscription service" model is... interesting.
Dec 5, 2015, 1:56 am
#2660
Join Date: Nov 2012
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I don't foresee any problems if I do return it since it doesn't seem to be listed under one of their return policy exceptions. The lack of tokenization and their craptastic support are the things that bug me the most.
Dec 5, 2015, 2:18 am
#2661
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I don't really think they were lying. When they first started taking preorders it pretty much was the state of the art in the US. EMV wasn't being taken seriously by retailers and banks so Coin probably didn't know to research that (or if they did, they concluded that it was far enough out that they could release at least one iteration without major issues.)
Of course, the initial release was so delayed that it was no longer state of the art. It also didn't help that everyone finally decided that maybe EMV should be adopted in the US. Coin made the wrong bet and now had to play catch-up. They probably put far more of a priority on NFC because of a belief that Americans may actually jump straight to contactless or at the very least use chip long enough to get utterly frustrated. And since they needed to have something out Right Now™ that looked like they were keeping up, along comes Coin 2.0 with a NFC half-implementation. Which probably works fine for now but they really need to deliver on using EMV contactless instead of MSD at some point. "Soon" this time may be too great of a challenge for them.
Of course, the initial release was so delayed that it was no longer state of the art. It also didn't help that everyone finally decided that maybe EMV should be adopted in the US. Coin made the wrong bet and now had to play catch-up. They probably put far more of a priority on NFC because of a belief that Americans may actually jump straight to contactless or at the very least use chip long enough to get utterly frustrated. And since they needed to have something out Right Now™ that looked like they were keeping up, along comes Coin 2.0 with a NFC half-implementation. Which probably works fine for now but they really need to deliver on using EMV contactless instead of MSD at some point. "Soon" this time may be too great of a challenge for them.
Dec 5, 2015, 11:15 am
#2662
Join Date: Jul 2006
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It has ever since they went from the blue card design to the red one. When they first added the EMV chip, the EMV version didn't have contactless, but that was later added and the purple version has contactless as well. I'm not sure if there is still a non-contactless purple version (might be mentioned in the SPG forum thread); I still have the non-contactless red EMV card and haven't gotten a purple one yet.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/starw...n-express.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/starw...n-express.html
Dec 6, 2015, 3:03 pm
#2663
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I just tapped my AMEX platinum in Samsung Pay at an NFC-enabled supermarket, with the receipt reading: "AMEX card - CONTACTLESS AMEX".
Is this the result we've been looking for specifically, or is this just the standard AMEX tap language for MST as always?
In case the answer involves cardpeek, the physical card has not yet arrived; as the number itself was carried over from my previous gold card when I upgraded, I added the number recently to SP after the upgrade was approved which resulted in a Platinum card for in-app display, not gold.
Is this the result we've been looking for specifically, or is this just the standard AMEX tap language for MST as always?
In case the answer involves cardpeek, the physical card has not yet arrived; as the number itself was carried over from my previous gold card when I upgraded, I added the number recently to SP after the upgrade was approved which resulted in a Platinum card for in-app display, not gold.
Dec 6, 2015, 4:30 pm
#2664
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I just tapped my AMEX platinum in Samsung Pay at an NFC-enabled supermarket, with the receipt reading: "AMEX card - CONTACTLESS AMEX".
Is this the result we've been looking for specifically, or is this just the standard AMEX tap language for MST as always?
In case the answer involves cardpeek, the physical card has not yet arrived; as the number itself was carried over from my previous gold card when I upgraded, I added the number recently to SP after the upgrade was approved which resulted in a Platinum card for in-app display, not gold.
Is this the result we've been looking for specifically, or is this just the standard AMEX tap language for MST as always?
In case the answer involves cardpeek, the physical card has not yet arrived; as the number itself was carried over from my previous gold card when I upgraded, I added the number recently to SP after the upgrade was approved which resulted in a Platinum card for in-app display, not gold.
Dec 7, 2015, 3:28 am
#2666
Join Date: Apr 2015
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Manager at CVS confirmed to me today that both NFC and EMV would he enabled by January. "Everything this terminal can do the chip cards, and Apple pay will be working by January 1st at the latest" is what she told me.
Dec 7, 2015, 4:09 am
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Dec 7, 2015, 10:47 am
#2668
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Didn't see the stickers at my local one the other day. We'll see if they meet that deadline.
Dec 8, 2015, 9:40 am
#2669
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So NFC might actually be working at Walmart now, according to this post: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25831561-post2416.html
Can anyone confirm?
Can anyone confirm?
Dec 8, 2015, 10:10 am
#2670
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So NFC might actually be working at Walmart now, according to this post: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25831561-post2416.html
Can anyone confirm?
Can anyone confirm?