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Old Jul 28, 2013 | 6:59 pm
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^ not quite following..$75 fee is up front....I guess you are assuming we would spend $12k a year in groceries?

"get that $360 twice per card"

not sure what you mean here...AU doesn't get an additional $6k spending on groceries, it's $6k cap per account. What am I missing?
My own case: I got the BCP with a $250 sign up bonus (through cardmatch.com) in June. We will put 6K on it this year and again during the first 5 months of next year before I cash out the remaining rewards and cancel the card. Add some gas purchases and I am ahead by about $1000.

By then it will be more than 12 months since my wife held the card, so she can get it along with whatever bonus is available and repeat the process. As long as there is a signup bonus that covers the initial fee, it's a no-brainer for me.
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Old Jul 28, 2013 | 10:38 pm
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Old Jul 28, 2013 | 10:51 pm
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 1:17 pm
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Annual Fees for card churners

When signing up for multiple cards on an ongoing basis, how do you handle the pile-up of all the annual fees?

I see some bloggers sign up for 6+ cards every few months. As they do not mention canceling their previous cards, it seems that they would rack up substantial annual fees for all those cards.

For instance, if they sign up for 10 cards in one year, each having an annual fee of $100 (give-or-take), that $1000 annual fee seems hard to justify. [Take it one step further; if that same person signs up for 10 cards, three years in a row, they now have a $3000 annual fee].

Are the sign-up points worth the on-going annual fees of having so many cards? Or, is there a strategy of cancellation when doing so many on-going sign-ups?

Thanks!
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 1:42 pm
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I would say most are cancelling before the anniversary date. My personal goal is to get 200k in AA miles every year for 2 J seats to Europe; these are worth to me around $8,000. You probably cannot buy a Business class round trip for $4000 for summer travel but that is all I would personally pay for it. With a combination of AA Citi Visa (50k), AA Citi Bus (40k) plus some Starwood AX and a decent monthly spend we always seem to get there and rarely pay the renewal fee. It really helps to have each spouse on a 2 year cycle.
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 1:53 pm
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Originally Posted by AirFjord
When signing up for multiple cards on an ongoing basis, how do you handle the pile-up of all the annual fees?

I see some bloggers sign up for 6+ cards every few months. As they do not mention canceling their previous cards, it seems that they would rack up substantial annual fees for all those cards.

For instance, if they sign up for 10 cards in one year, each having an annual fee of $100 (give-or-take), that $1000 annual fee seems hard to justify. [Take it one step further; if that same person signs up for 10 cards, three years in a row, they now have a $3000 annual fee].

Are the sign-up points worth the on-going annual fees of having so many cards? Or, is there a strategy of cancellation when doing so many on-going sign-ups?

Thanks!
1) Lots of AFs are waived for the first year.

2) A good amount of AFs are $95 or less.

3) Lots of people do AoRs, but a good amount of people stagger their apps so they don't have 10+ fees due at once (I stagger; most on FT, it seems, do AoRs).

4) Most cancel their cards before the AF hits.

5) If they don't cancel, they call to "cancel" and the CSR waives the fee.

6) In the end, some fees are just worth paying! (CSP; SPG; IHG; Hyatt; Mariott; AMEX Platium; etc).
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 2:07 pm
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What's AoR?
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 2:14 pm
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What's AoR?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/credi...e-archive.html
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 2:55 pm
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App-O-Rama = Simultaneously applying for several credit cards

Churning = Apply, Earn new account bonus, Cancel, Re-apply for the same card.
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 3:19 pm
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Originally Posted by dukerau
a no annual fee version (for example, Chase United)
I don't think you are correct on this.

https://creditcards.chase.com/no-ann...jp_ltg=leftnav
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 3:20 pm
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Originally Posted by muji
I don't think you are correct on this.

https://creditcards.chase.com/no-ann...jp_ltg=leftnav
It's not advertised, you have to ask about it when downgrading.
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 3:28 pm
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Originally Posted by PainCorp
It's not advertised, you have to ask about it when downgrading.
Good to know. Thank you.

BTW, does the no-fee version have a different name?
And do you earn one mile per dollar spent on it?
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 3:48 pm
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Originally Posted by muji
Good to know. Thank you.

BTW, does the no-fee version have a different name?
And do you earn one mile per dollar spent on it?
I don't remember the name, but I think its 1 mile/$2.
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 4:13 pm
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Originally Posted by PainCorp
I think its 1 mile/$2.
Another question: Does it have no foreign transaction fees? (I'm guessing that it would not have this feature, being a downgraded card...but I'm wondering if anyone would know for sure.)
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 9:32 pm
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Originally Posted by AirFjord
When signing up for multiple cards on an ongoing basis, how do you handle the pile-up of all the annual fees?

I see some bloggers sign up for 6+ cards every few months. As they do not mention canceling their previous cards, it seems that they would rack up substantial annual fees for all those cards.

For instance, if they sign up for 10 cards in one year, each having an annual fee of $100 (give-or-take), that $1000 annual fee seems hard to justify. [Take it one step further; if that same person signs up for 10 cards, three years in a row, they now have a $3000 annual fee].

Are the sign-up points worth the on-going annual fees of having so many cards? Or, is there a strategy of cancellation when doing so many on-going sign-ups?

Thanks!
I have been churning cards a pretty good clip ( but nothing compared to soem on here ) since 2006.

Make an excel spreadsheet with the card number , signup date, bonus and a column for date closed

Get the card, meet the spend , get the points, put the card away and cancel at about the 9 month mark , 3 months before annual fee is due. You can cancel VIA SM and save the phone call if you would like.

My goal is 6 domestic R/T airline tickets per year and 10 hotel nights at a CAT 7 Hilton or the equivalant Sheraton, Marriott, etc

With Northwest, Continental and soon to be USAIR gone it is getting harder but can still be done

I have never paid an annual fee as I can always cancel the card and move on to another brand then come back.

I may break that rule and pay $49 AF for the IHG card as it's a free night in any category IHG hotel.

Marriott has the level hotel you can stay at capped (IMO) too low to pay an annual fee of $85 for a category 1 - 4 hotel

Same for the Hyatt
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