Sep 15, 2021, 1:47 pm
Last edit by: NewbieRunner
New thread for discussing 1-day test requirements for travellers arriving in the US by air
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/coronavirus-travel/2060730-us-require-air-travelers-provide-negative-test-within-1-day-departure.html
Entry ban from eight southern African countries starting on November 29, 2021
Most non-U.S. citizens who have been in South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique or Malaw within the prior 14 days will not be allowed into the United States.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/11/26/a-proclamation-on-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease-2019/
Entry ban by air to be lifted on November 8, 2021 - All travelers should refer to CDC for travel requirements.
3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue (US citizens/LPR not vaccinated will have to test no earlier than 1 day prior) Children under 2 years old do not need to test.
Children under 18 are exempt from vaccination requirement
Accepted vaccines will include:
There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old
Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases
Update on U.S. travel policy requiring COVID-19 vaccination
Last Updated: October 25, 2021
As announced by the White House today, the new travel policy requiring foreign nationals traveling to the United States to demonstrate proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 will take effect November 8. The CDC’s website explains that, for purposes of entry into the United States, the accepted vaccines will include FDA approved or authorized and WHO Emergency Use Listing vaccines.
COVID-19 Travel Restrictions and Exceptions - U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Last updated: October 25, 2021
The presidential proclamations described on this page will no longer be in effect on November 8, 2021. For additional information, please see Safely Resuming Travel by Vaccine Requirement and Rescission of Travel Restrictions on Brazil, China, India, Iran, Ireland, the Schengen Area, South Africa, and the United Kingdom (travel.state.gov).
To protect the public health, there are four presidential proclamations that suspend entry into the United States of all noncitizens who were physically present in any of 33 countries during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States. They are Presidential Proclamation 9984 (China); Presidential Proclamation 9992 (Iran); Presidential Proclamation 10143 (Schengen Area, United Kingdom, Ireland, Brazil, and South Africa); and Presidential Proclamation 10199 (India).
What we know so far is
- Confirmed to start on 8 November
- Children under 18 are exempt from the vaccine restrictions, so the varying international standards on jab ages won't be an issue here.
- Vaccines that are OK will include Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J and the two Chinese vaccines.
- Some exemptions from vaccinations are potentially allowed, notably for US citizens, though my guess is airlines will be expecting to see vaccine certificates
- 3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue, so this needs to be a documented antigen/Lateral Flow test or PCR.
- 3 days is potentially more than 72 hours, departure on a Friday afternoon means a test on Tuesday morning or thereafter.
- NHS Lateral Flows and PCRs can't be used.
- Children over 2 years old travelling with vaccinated travellers have to be tested on the same basis (3 days).
- 1 day testing for unvaccinated USA legal residents (testing on or the day before departure), including their children.
- All passengers need to sign an attestment to confirm their negative test result and also a statement to confirm full vaccination status.
- Children who are not vaccinated do not need to get vaccinated but do need to get a "viral test" 3 to 5 days after arrival in the USA
- As a result there is a separate attestion question for unvaccinated children to confirm that the viral test is arranged.
- Vaccination certificates must come from an official source. The NHS COVID Pass app and EU DCC are specifically mentioned as acceptable.
- Vaccination is counted as two weeks from dose2, or 2 weeks after the sole dose in the case of J&J.
- Antibody certification is not a replacement for the need for vaccination, at least for non USA residents.
- 14 clear days need to elapse before travel. So if jabbed on 1 October then 15 October is when you are good to go.
- Booster vaccinations are not a factor here, they don't count towards or against the primary dose process.
- There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old.
- Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases.
- These restrictions do not apply at the land border.
Note that a lot of interpretation onus falls on airlines. For example there is no language requirement for vaccine certificates as far as the CDC is concerned, however you can imagine Air France may be hesitant in accepting a vaccine certificate issued in the Welsh language, to take one example.
CDC link
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...el-System.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/coronavirus-travel/2060730-us-require-air-travelers-provide-negative-test-within-1-day-departure.html
Entry ban from eight southern African countries starting on November 29, 2021
Most non-U.S. citizens who have been in South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique or Malaw within the prior 14 days will not be allowed into the United States.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/11/26/a-proclamation-on-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease-2019/
Entry ban by air to be lifted on November 8, 2021 - All travelers should refer to CDC for travel requirements.
3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue (US citizens/LPR not vaccinated will have to test no earlier than 1 day prior) Children under 2 years old do not need to test.
Children under 18 are exempt from vaccination requirement
Accepted vaccines will include:
- AstraZeneca
- BIBP/Sinopharm
- Covishield
- Janssen/J&J
- Moderna
- Pfizer-BioNTech
- Sinovac
There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old
Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases
Update on U.S. travel policy requiring COVID-19 vaccination
Last Updated: October 25, 2021
As announced by the White House today, the new travel policy requiring foreign nationals traveling to the United States to demonstrate proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 will take effect November 8. The CDC’s website explains that, for purposes of entry into the United States, the accepted vaccines will include FDA approved or authorized and WHO Emergency Use Listing vaccines.
COVID-19 Travel Restrictions and Exceptions - U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Last updated: October 25, 2021
The presidential proclamations described on this page will no longer be in effect on November 8, 2021. For additional information, please see Safely Resuming Travel by Vaccine Requirement and Rescission of Travel Restrictions on Brazil, China, India, Iran, Ireland, the Schengen Area, South Africa, and the United Kingdom (travel.state.gov).
To protect the public health, there are four presidential proclamations that suspend entry into the United States of all noncitizens who were physically present in any of 33 countries during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States. They are Presidential Proclamation 9984 (China); Presidential Proclamation 9992 (Iran); Presidential Proclamation 10143 (Schengen Area, United Kingdom, Ireland, Brazil, and South Africa); and Presidential Proclamation 10199 (India).
What we know so far is
- Confirmed to start on 8 November
- Children under 18 are exempt from the vaccine restrictions, so the varying international standards on jab ages won't be an issue here.
- Vaccines that are OK will include Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J and the two Chinese vaccines.
- Some exemptions from vaccinations are potentially allowed, notably for US citizens, though my guess is airlines will be expecting to see vaccine certificates
- 3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue, so this needs to be a documented antigen/Lateral Flow test or PCR.
- 3 days is potentially more than 72 hours, departure on a Friday afternoon means a test on Tuesday morning or thereafter.
- NHS Lateral Flows and PCRs can't be used.
- Children over 2 years old travelling with vaccinated travellers have to be tested on the same basis (3 days).
- 1 day testing for unvaccinated USA legal residents (testing on or the day before departure), including their children.
- All passengers need to sign an attestment to confirm their negative test result and also a statement to confirm full vaccination status.
- Children who are not vaccinated do not need to get vaccinated but do need to get a "viral test" 3 to 5 days after arrival in the USA
- As a result there is a separate attestion question for unvaccinated children to confirm that the viral test is arranged.
- Vaccination certificates must come from an official source. The NHS COVID Pass app and EU DCC are specifically mentioned as acceptable.
- Vaccination is counted as two weeks from dose2, or 2 weeks after the sole dose in the case of J&J.
- Antibody certification is not a replacement for the need for vaccination, at least for non USA residents.
- 14 clear days need to elapse before travel. So if jabbed on 1 October then 15 October is when you are good to go.
- Booster vaccinations are not a factor here, they don't count towards or against the primary dose process.
- There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old.
- Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases.
- These restrictions do not apply at the land border.
Note that a lot of interpretation onus falls on airlines. For example there is no language requirement for vaccine certificates as far as the CDC is concerned, however you can imagine Air France may be hesitant in accepting a vaccine certificate issued in the Welsh language, to take one example.
CDC link
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...el-System.html
US reopened on 8 November 2021 (& subsequent entry restrictions for non-citizens)
Aug 30, 2021, 4:51 am
#2146
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What has the task force so far reported ?!
Aug 30, 2021, 6:24 am
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@Yllanes , was your NIE noted as a multiple-use NIE? The student ones which I've seen -- including for those in non-STEM fields -- for going from Europe to the US are effectively multiple-use NIEs and thus that means the "peak" student travel periods' international flights are going to be in somewhat more demand this academic year than they were in the prior one. But curious what they did with you, since you're on an H-1B.
Aug 30, 2021, 6:26 am
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If that's the case, it'll fail. The White House has made abundantly clear that they have little, if any, interest in opening up the border in the near term. To the extent that the administration notices such a move by the EU, they will be either amused or annoyed that the EU is making such a big deal about something that they (the US) clearly thinks is not that important. Unfortunately, there is absolutely nothing anyone in the EU can do about this. The administration simply doesn't care. There would have to be significant domestic pressure before the White House would move, and there isn't any domestic pressure to speak of.
Aug 30, 2021, 6:32 am
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If that's the case, it'll fail. The White House has made abundantly clear that they have little, if any, interest in opening up the border in the near term. To the extent that the administration notices such a move by the EU, they will be either amused or annoyed that the EU is making such a big deal about something that they (the US) clearly thinks is not that important. Unfortunately, there is absolutely nothing anyone in the EU can do about this. The administration simply doesn't care. There would have to be significant domestic pressure before the White House would move, and there isn't any domestic pressure to speak of.
However, fundamentally, the border restrictions do not make sense, for whatever they are intended to do.
And there is absolutely something the EU can do, which is to ban Americans again, which they have just done to some degree. Hopefully to elicit a response. If the Biden administration continues to not care, we'll continue to see countries make reciprocal moves back to closing borders to Americans.
Aug 30, 2021, 6:34 am
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If that's the case, it'll fail. The White House has made abundantly clear that they have little, if any, interest in opening up the border in the near term. To the extent that the administration notices such a move by the EU, they will be either amused or annoyed that the EU is making such a big deal about something that they (the US) clearly thinks is not that important. Unfortunately, there is absolutely nothing anyone in the EU can do about this. The administration simply doesn't care. There would have to be significant domestic pressure before the White House would move, and there isn't any domestic pressure to speak of.
Aug 30, 2021, 6:38 am
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The EU banning Americans over reciprocity seems foolish given that Americans are one of the few countries they're getting tourists from. We're close to Europe (relatively speaking), we don't have to quarantine when returning home, and the EU is one of the only parts of the world that's open up to us with few restrictions. For Americans who've been stuck at home for 18 months who finally want to scratch that travel itch, Europe is all we've got. And we're all they've got for keeping a struggling tourism industry afloat. They're not getting the hordes of tourists from China. Aussies and Kiwis aren't really able to leave their country. Japanese and Koreans have to quarantine when they return home so it's unlikely that they're traveling abroad. Banning Americans would be a huge blow to the travel industry that can barely withstand any more blows. Where, other than the US and Canada, are tourists coming from in any large numbers?
I know, it's stupid that they can't come to the US. That ban needed to end months ago. But if they ban us over it, they're really cutting off their nose to spite their face.
I know, it's stupid that they can't come to the US. That ban needed to end months ago. But if they ban us over it, they're really cutting off their nose to spite their face.
Aug 30, 2021, 6:40 am
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I haven’t understood the delay on implementing the opening. This whole working group is a joke; have the airport check for a QR code or upload ahead of flight just like the US has to do on my international flights. It’s crazy to really think they are following the science when you can’t come here from France but can from Russia which had more cases yesterday. Frankly even with a trip I’m freaking out about having to possibly cancel because of the expected ban and its one i have been planning and looking forward to all summer I think the ban is fair they had all summer to open the boarders and they didn’t why should it be one way. Of course I do think though its a bit of a shot in the foot in regards to the travel sector but unsure if it will be a one sided impact in Europe or if some in the US will be impacted
Aug 30, 2021, 6:44 am
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The EU banning Americans over reciprocity seems foolish given that Americans are one of the few countries they're getting tourists from. We're close to Europe (relatively speaking), we don't have to quarantine when returning home, and the EU is one of the only parts of the world that's open up to us with few restrictions. For Americans who've been stuck at home for 18 months who finally want to scratch that travel itch, Europe is all we've got. And we're all they've got for keeping a struggling tourism industry afloat. They're not getting the hordes of tourists from China. Aussies and Kiwis aren't really able to leave their country. Japanese and Koreans have to quarantine when they return home so it's unlikely that they're traveling abroad. Banning Americans would be a huge blow to the travel industry that can barely withstand any more blows. Where, other than the US and Canada, are tourists coming from in any large numbers?
I know, it's stupid that they can't come to the US. That ban needed to end months ago. But if they ban us over it, they're really cutting off their nose to spite their face.
I know, it's stupid that they can't come to the US. That ban needed to end months ago. But if they ban us over it, they're really cutting off their nose to spite their face.
Aug 30, 2021, 7:21 am
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Related, Croatia was absolutely packed to the brim with German tourists. You couldn't move for them in some places!
Aug 30, 2021, 8:09 am
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It works both ways, I mentioned earlier that the US is losing billions of dollars from European tourists in car hire, hotel bookings etc and the answer here being early summer was we don't need your euros because we´ve got enough demand from domestic travel to fill all those destinations.
Well that's true but same applies to the EU, I run a company renting out hundreds of properties here in Spain and the pandemics been devastating over the last 18 months for us just like all other business dealing with tourists no matter the country.
This summer however just like the US the EU saw domestic demand like never before, In the UK rental properties tripled in price if you could find somewhere , over here in Spain we have just had our busiest July and August since we started business over 20 years ago and have been 100% fully booked for the duration, now the summers coming to an end domestic tourist demand will drop for everyone no matter which side of the Atlantic you happen to be.
The US benefits more from out of season tourists from the EU than the EU do from US simply because Europeans have vastly more paid holidays than their US counterparts do allowing them to travel a number of times a year, the US will feel their loss more in the coming months if this goes on.
Aug 30, 2021, 8:16 am
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The EU banning Americans over reciprocity seems foolish given that Americans are one of the few countries they're getting tourists from. We're close to Europe (relatively speaking), we don't have to quarantine when returning home, and the EU is one of the only parts of the world that's open up to us with few restrictions. For Americans who've been stuck at home for 18 months who finally want to scratch that travel itch, Europe is all we've got. And we're all they've got for keeping a struggling tourism industry afloat. They're not getting the hordes of tourists from China. Aussies and Kiwis aren't really able to leave their country. Japanese and Koreans have to quarantine when they return home so it's unlikely that they're traveling abroad. Banning Americans would be a huge blow to the travel industry that can barely withstand any more blows. Where, other than the US and Canada, are tourists coming from in any large numbers?
I know, it's stupid that they can't come to the US. That ban needed to end months ago. But if they ban us over it, they're really cutting off their nose to spite their face.
I know, it's stupid that they can't come to the US. That ban needed to end months ago. But if they ban us over it, they're really cutting off their nose to spite their face.
My family owns a hotel in Venice and I guarantee you that we have had a very very good summer season thanks to European domestic tourism.
Even with open borders to americans, the share of Americans, although considerable, is marginal.
Travel restrictions have caused domestic tourism to booming.
Aug 30, 2021, 8:41 am
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By everyone who do you mean? The pesky Europeans / Brits riddled with the virus, mingle freely with the visiting Americans, who then return quarantine free to America, to pass on this mutated virus. It really is nonsensical
Aug 30, 2021, 8:44 am
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The US population is 330 million, while the EU population is 450 million (give or take a few). That + the much more generous vacation policies on this side of the pond makes me absolutely certain that in absolute numbers far more Europeans go to the US for tourism purposes than vice versa. So if the US can cope on domestic tourism alone, so can the EU, especially given that the latter is much more culturally diverse (and hence has more destinations of interest on the whole). But it beggars belief that we're still at this level of debate half a year since the vaccination campaign began in earnest.
Aug 30, 2021, 8:51 am
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I think everyone should reopen, tourism is not having particular damages. But, instead, think of thousands of families forced into separation by this ............Not everyone has money and time to waste to spend two weeks in a third country ....