Mar 11, 2020, 10:13 am
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Any member who can provide a constructive, helpful answer to a question; or post constructively in reply to a member's point-of-view, is welcome to post.
All FT rules apply, including avoiding personalized, snarky, political, other off-topic, commercial, and repeatedly disruptive content.
Discussion of general economic impacts of Covid-19 belongs in the OMNI forum, not here.
Discussion and critique of political/government actions to aid the economy or which is far more political than related to COVID-19 is for the OMNI/PR forum, not here.
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COVID-19: Lounge thread for thoughts, concerns and questions
Mar 26, 2020, 8:13 am
#1697
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It is difficult time for the wolrd , lots of people stay home .
even though in such beautiful spring , few people have their trip in their countries or foreign countries
i wonder if there is any measures to protect myself in trip ,if it is safe to have a trip now ? if there is any recommend place
really want to go to trip
thank you in advance
even though in such beautiful spring , few people have their trip in their countries or foreign countries
i wonder if there is any measures to protect myself in trip ,if it is safe to have a trip now ? if there is any recommend place
really want to go to trip
thank you in advance
Where do you live? Perhaps it’s a nice time to take the car and do a low risk activity, like hiking a trail or having a picnic in a National park away from others.
Mar 26, 2020, 8:16 am
#1698
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Most airport bathrooms have no doors IAD, DCA, DFW, and EGE come to mind. I'm sure there will be more of these at those airports that do not.
Most airport lounges do have doors; IAD BA lounge, DCA AC, DFW AC, QF LAX F Lounge (actually has 2 doors post hand wash), CX Pier, and others I am sure.
Most airport lounges do have doors; IAD BA lounge, DCA AC, DFW AC, QF LAX F Lounge (actually has 2 doors post hand wash), CX Pier, and others I am sure.
Mar 26, 2020, 8:21 am
#1699
Join Date: Aug 2012
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Not sure what kind of trip this would be, but driving with yourself or your family to relatively remote areas to enjoy the outdoors stuff, e.g., cabin in the woods thing. I've never tried one of those road trips to the middle of the country, but, assuming they'd ever let me leave SF, I may consider it.
Mar 26, 2020, 8:22 am
#1700
Join Date: Dec 2016
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As a trained psychologist, I implore you to stop using psychological terms incorrectly.
Groupthink occurs when people withhold their true beliefs because they don’t want to disrupt the harmony of group, “not rocking the boat”. People disagreeing with you, even if you’re in the minority opinion (and I’m not making judgements about wrong or right in this sense), is not groupthink.
Groupthink can be right or it can be wrong, although most people think about it in terms of when things go wrong. Classic example is JFK’s decision to green light the bay of pigs.
Groupthink occurs when people withhold their true beliefs because they don’t want to disrupt the harmony of group, “not rocking the boat”. People disagreeing with you, even if you’re in the minority opinion (and I’m not making judgements about wrong or right in this sense), is not groupthink.
Groupthink can be right or it can be wrong, although most people think about it in terms of when things go wrong. Classic example is JFK’s decision to green light the bay of pigs.
I, too, share some concerns that policy makers are making blinkered decisions and deferring all decision making to "eminent" experts who are well accomplished in their own fields but necessarily lacking in expertise from other fields (you cannot be good at everything) without listening to contrary viewpoints from people in the same or different fields (e.g. economics, social science etc).
It is so important right now that anyone who notices something unusual, whether it is with individual patients, populations, biomedical investigations, economic impact etc actively challenge the status quo to ensure there is constant debate and questioning of current strategy. If we just blindly follow a path which is conveniently carved out for us by a small group of people (regardless of the fact that they are acting in the best of intentions) in a situation where virtually everything is uncertain, we are sure to falter. We must not stop thinking and questioning the status quo. After all, we are in this mess because we failed to listen to Li Wenliang, ostensibly not an "expert" in epidemiology/pandemics but an astute ophthalmologist who noticed something bad was happening but was suppressed because his views were contrary to the status quo.
Mar 26, 2020, 8:23 am
#1701
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Here's something about the Appalachian Trail, for instance:
March 23, 2020: The Appalachian Trail, given its ever-increasing popularity over the past weeks, is no longer a viable space to practice social distancing. Read the letter from ATC President & CEO Sandra Marra asking all hikers to postpone A.T. hikes of any length until further notice.
Mar 26, 2020, 8:27 am
#1702
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The foot-grabber thingies sometimes mounted on the bottoms of doors are pretty cool too, though on some heavier doors I've nearly torn a hip flexor using them!
Mar 26, 2020, 8:35 am
#1703
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If everyone did this with every grocery item, we would eat a whole lot less. 
Reusable cloth bags that some people use for groceries and other shopping are more awful fomites than plastic bags .... at least for stuff stored in the open at a room temperature for people.
The tunnel-visioned and stove-piping “save the world” types are going to struggle with what how to align all the messages they jump on.
Reusable cloth bags that some people use for groceries and other shopping are more awful fomites than plastic bags .... at least for stuff stored in the open at a room temperature for people.
The tunnel-visioned and stove-piping “save the world” types are going to struggle with what how to align all the messages they jump on.
Well, plastic bags are illegal in NY but I believe the virus lives longer on plastic than paper anyway. We have been getting food, wiping the outside of the container with disinfectant and transferring to another container in some cases and asking sure stuff is well cooked.
Mar 26, 2020, 8:41 am
#1704
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Police in India allegedly beat man to death shopping for milk
India is on nationwide lockdown, but an exception is being allowed to go out shopping for food. That apparently did not work out so well for one man who went shopping for milk, and seems not to have been believed by police who allegedly beat him so severely that he died.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...olice-beating/
I guess be suspected of evading lockdown can have some pretty severe consequences some places.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...olice-beating/
I guess be suspected of evading lockdown can have some pretty severe consequences some places.
Mar 26, 2020, 8:43 am
#1705
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Well, plastic bags are illegal in NY but I believe the virus lives longer on plastic than paper anyway. We have been getting food, wiping the outside of the container with disinfectant and transferring to another container in some cases and asking sure stuff is well cooked.
Mar 26, 2020, 8:45 am
#1706
Join Date: Aug 2012
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When all (it's never all, but most will remain quiet for the reasons you've mentioned) of your peers are in agreement, there is extraordinary risk, both financial and reputational, to be the lone contrarian. If you go with the consensus, there's little price to pay for being wrong. I mean, it wasn't just me? It was all of us! Conversely, if you were the lone contrarian on the wrong side, your career would be over, and reputation forever shattered.
With our peers, our reputation is everything.
Mar 26, 2020, 8:50 am
#1707
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I'm, as they say, data dependent, at this point.
Mar 26, 2020, 9:08 am
#1708
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As a trained psychologist, I implore you to stop using psychological terms incorrectly.
Groupthink occurs when people withhold their true beliefs because they don’t want to disrupt the harmony of group, “not rocking the boat”. People disagreeing with you, even if you’re in the minority opinion (and I’m not making judgements about wrong or right in this sense), is not groupthink.
Groupthink can be right or it can be wrong, although most people think about it in terms of when things go wrong. Classic example is JFK’s decision to green light the bay of pigs.
Groupthink occurs when people withhold their true beliefs because they don’t want to disrupt the harmony of group, “not rocking the boat”. People disagreeing with you, even if you’re in the minority opinion (and I’m not making judgements about wrong or right in this sense), is not groupthink.
Groupthink can be right or it can be wrong, although most people think about it in terms of when things go wrong. Classic example is JFK’s decision to green light the bay of pigs.
Mar 26, 2020, 9:10 am
#1709
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Mar 26, 2020, 9:11 am
#1710
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India is on nationwide lockdown, but an exception is being allowed to go out shopping for food. That apparently did not work out so well for one man who went shopping for milk, and seems not to have been believed by police who allegedly beat him so severely that he died.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...olice-beating/
I guess be suspected of evading lockdown can have some pretty severe consequences some places.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...olice-beating/
I guess be suspected of evading lockdown can have some pretty severe consequences some places.
Take the very different debate now happening with POTUS who wants to turn at Easter.